Legends of Dead Earth: Supergirl with Keith Lehtinen

This week on Men of Steel, Case and Jmike are joined by Keith Lehtinen to explore the Legends of Dead Earth DC Annual featuring the memory of Supergirl. We dig into this bleak future tale, how Supergirl fits into DC’s long tradition of alternate timelines, and what this story reveals about legacy when hope is in short supply.

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Originally aired: January 9, 2026

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Scored by Geoff Moonen

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Outline

Introduction and Context of Legends of Dead Earth Supergirl Annual (00:00 - 10:14)

• Introduction to the Men of Steel podcast and guest Keith Letinen, comic book expert

• Overview of the Legends of Dead Earth 1996 annuals by DC Comics focusing on futuristic mythologizing of modern DC characters

Analysis of Chapter One: “The Surrogate” (10:14 - 19:11)

• Written by Chuck Dixon with artwork by Dick Giordano and George Perez (noted for quality)

• The story highlights hope through flashbacks to youth and idealization of Supergirl as an icon, not a specific person

Analysis of Chapter Two: “Legend Lives On”/“Shootout at Ice Flats” (19:11 - 28:37)

• The second story (credits order error noted), written by Barbara and Carl Kesel, is a Twilight Zone-esque tale featuring space pirates who fear the myth of Supergirl, although she doesn’t appear

• Discussion of how the story parodies and distorts superhero lore, especially with references to “The Crisis” and Supergirl’s berserker phase

Analysis of Chapter Three: “Shootout at Ice Flats” (28:37 - 38:03)

• Written by Joe Lansdale and Neil Barrett Jr., art by Robert Turkish Taranishi, the story is a sci-fi Western featuring a sheriff who resembles Supergirl

• The story closes with hope passing to a younger generation via the amulet’s gift

Overall Impressions and Discussion of the Annual (38:03 - 47:44)

• Hosts discuss whether the annual was worth the 1996 cover price of $2.95, agreeing that the package was fun and had variety making it worth the price

• Comparative recommendation: for new fans, alternative modern stories such as Supergirl: Woman of Tomorrow and some Future State runs recommended instead

Conclusion and Promotions (47:44 - 56:39)

• Guest Keith Letinen highlights his podcast We Have Issues that delivers fast, positive comic reviews especially useful for staying current with many comics out there

• Tease of upcoming Legends of Dead Earth issues to be discussed in future episodes

Transcription

00:00
Jmike
Did they ever, like, mention, like, how long it's been? Or do we have, like, a run in with Martian Manhunter?

00:06
Case
Like, some of them are much more specific about the age gap, but like I said, there are other ones that do not care.

00:14
Jmike
Martian Manhunter is on his Luke Skywalker arc where he's got, like, a cloak and he's wandering around the wilderness.

00:22
Case
All right. Yes. But spoiler, we're not going to encounter the Martian Manhunter in the issues that we're looking at. Hey, everyone, and welcome back to the Men of Steel podcast. I'm Case Aiken, and as always, I'm joined by my co host, J. Mike Fsen.

01:04
Jmike
Hello, everybody. Welcome back to the show.

01:07
Case
Welcome back indeed. Or should I say welcome to Visions from the. I'm trying to figure out a good beat on this one, but we are talking about a weird period in DC Comics history today, and we'll be doing a few episodes about this era because today we are looking at the Legends of Dead Earth series of annuals from 1996, which were a series of annuals from DC Comics that took the perspective of the far future, telling stories about the characters from modern day DC and how it would be warped by myth and legend. And to have that conversation, we needed a comic book expert. So we are joined from we have Issues by Keith Lehtinen.

01:48
Keith
Hello, everybody.

01:50
Case
Keith, I knew that when were gonna talk about this one, you had to be the person to have that discussion, because today we're talking about the Supergirl issue.

02:00
Keith
Yes, I'm always on deck for Supergirl stories. 100%.

02:04
Case
All right, before we do our usual summation of what the actual project is, were either of you guys familiar with this era of annuals before this? Had you read it or at least heard of it before?

02:18
Keith
Absolutely not. No.

02:22
Jmike
Not at all. Awesome.

02:24
Case
So on that note, then, why don't we kick it to J. Mike? And, J. Mike, in your words, could you describe what the overall context of this issue is? We're going to go in, like, beat by beat, because this one has three chapters.

02:38
Jmike
Okay, cool. The Legend of Death. Earth, Supergirl book or story? Basically, the Earth has been gone for a long time. I'm guessing I don't know how many specific years. This has been gone for a long time. And, like, the heroes and legends of Earth have kind of, like, lived on. I sneak a peek and it's Martian Man Hunter telling me stories.

02:59
Keith
So.

03:01
Jmike
But like, the different symbols and ideals that they held close and dear, their hearts kind of carried on through different ways throughout the time stream. And so this one is about Supergirl and, like, what she stood for and her courage and beliefs impacting different people and their livelihoods in different ways. Well, two stories impact their lively. Their lives in different ways. The. The. The space pirates. I have no idea what that was really going on about. It's just weird. It was like, she's not even like, there. They're just like, oh, a ghost. And then everyone shoots themselves. But it was still just because they were afraid of Supergirl, I guess. Yeah. It's basically it. Like, her legacy lives on throughout other people's experiences. And that's kind of the entirety of this issue.

03:50
Case
Yeah, that's a pretty good summation of what happened overall. I mean, like I said, we're going to go beat by beat on this one, but. Yeah. So when I pitched it to you guys, what were you kind of envisioning these books were going to be like?

04:06
Keith
I don't know what my expectation was. This was a weird era for Supergirl, which we've discussed in the past. This is kind of an era, even though it's, like, an unusual era for Supergirl, it's one that comes up a lot in our conversations for some reason. Yeah.

04:22
Case
Well, it's because I live in the 90s for the Conversation.

04:26
Keith
So when I found out distant alternate future with this era and the way 90s comics were made, I'm like, this could be anything. You know what I mean? Like, it could literally go anywhere.

04:38
Case
Yeah. So we should set that up for listeners who are not familiar. So this is 1996. This is the era of Supergirl being not Kara Zor El, something way weirder.

04:49
Keith
Yeah.

04:50
Case
J. Mike, I have given this spiel several times, but I would love to hear you give the spiel. Who is the matrix entity? Supergirl, AKA Linda Danvers.

05:00
Jmike
So many things, because we've come across it multiple. Multiple times. I'm always like, what the heck is going on with this chick? And I think, yeah, this is. This is the, like, the plasmoid, plastic, metal version of her, right?

05:13
Case
Yes. They describe it as like a protoplasmic matrix entity. Yeah.

05:20
Jmike
Yeah. This is that weird version of Supergirl. Yeah. And this is. How many times have we come across this character? Like, five or six so far?

05:30
Case
A lot. Particularly when we did the Death and Return of Superman. She was a major character in that.

05:36
Jmike
Yeah.

05:37
Case
But, yeah, this is a particular era for this character. She, by this point, had gotten her own book. And this was by Peter David, who recently passed away. So we should shout him out as a writer and creator. But in addition to getting her own book and a secret identity, the way that happened was that this protoplasmic shape shifting entity that was supposed to be coded off of Lana Lang from an alternate reality and then sent to our reality to bring over Superman as a last ditch attempt to prevent their world from being destroyed by three Super Krypton or Kryptonite Kryptonians who that Superman ultimately had to execute Texas style by exposing them to gold Kryptonite first and then green Kryptonite to let them die right in front of him.

06:17
Case
And he was not affected because this was the first story to establish that Kryptonite from different realities didn't affect Kryptonians from different worlds. That has since become a thing ever since, but was not a thing prior to Crisis on Infinite Earths. Anyway, so that Matrix entity, Supergirl, who spent a period of time confused about her identity, then settled into the role of Supergirl, then hooked up with the clone of Lex Luthor. Lex Luthor Jr. Then went nuts when she found out that he was actually Lex Luthor with the brain transplanted into his mind. Proceeded to have several adventures where she was kind of a bitch to Superboy and like just, you know, was a little bit holier than thou. Which was weird considering the fact that she was a fairly nascent entity.

06:57
Case
Anyway, she went on to fuse with a high school student who was whose life was sacrificed in a satanic ritual. And the fusion of this entity with this troubled youth created what was considered an Earthborn angel. And this caused the character to manifest new abilities. So she lost the ability to shape shift. She retained the ability to shift between her human form and her Supergirl form. That was it as far as powers go.

07:22
Jmike
Hey, listeners, are you keeping up yet? Can you follow along with this? Because I learn about this every time I go over this and I'm still like, what the hell?

07:31
Case
She retained her ability to have psychokinetic blasts, her super strength and the basic tickets like flight, super strength, near invulnerability. I won't quite say nigh in this scenario. So she retained those abilities, but she also developed the ability to grow wings of fire and shoot flames from her eyes in a holy style. And those wings of fire could envelop her and teleport her. So this was like a really powerful version of the character. Now, the story that we are reading here is at this point, the Earthborn angel situation has occurred and is referenced in the story. However, the character would then go on to have her angelic self split from her, while her human self retained a small fraction of the powers, putting her at roughly the 1938 Superman Leap, an eighth of a mile style character who adventured for a period of time.

08:19
Case
The two characters reconnected, but then separated off, allowing the character to regain a bit more of her psychokinetic abilities and flight and so forth before the book was untimely canceled. After she had to team up with Kara Zor El from the Silver Age comics and then went on to see her daughter that she had with a Superman of a different dimension go into the multiverse.

08:42
Keith
That was. I have to comment, that was one of the most insane things I ever listened to. Just the directions. It made me so ashamed and so proud of being a comic book fan to listen to just the extremes that story goes to. I was like, man, like. I was like, oh, yeah. And then she's a protoplasmic goo. And then also she's angel. And I'm just like, man, what. What's wrong with us?

09:05
Case
I, like, wanted to end with like, and the Aristocrats.

09:09
Keith
Absolutely insane. I have, I will mention with Matrix that I've had her. I've heard her refer to as super goo because of the transforming nature of it. So sometimes I refer to her as super goo.

09:19
Case
So, yeah, the, the most famous panel of the character is definitely the shot of her getting punched by Doomsday and just like going like, all like, T1000 gooey.

09:29
Keith
Yeah.

09:30
Case
Anyway, so that, I think creates a very interesting situation for this particular book wherein the Supergirl that they want to reference in these stories is an absolute batshit character that no one can easily describe. And they have the opportunity to do really broad strokes and make it kind of not matter which Supergirl you're talking about.

09:54
Keith
Yeah.

09:55
Case
Which I think they do a really good job of, particularly in the first story in a way that actually surprised me looking back on it, because there's such direct parallels to the character that we're familiar with in the fact that it's a shape shifting entity that I was like, oh, yeah, it was totally just like Supergirl in the 90s. But the myth that the character, like experiences in her head doesn't actually require that to be the version of Supergirl. It could be any version of Supergirl.

10:23
Keith
Yeah, no, definitely. I think that, yeah, obviously I think the second story would be the one I think is most on the nose about a specific one. But I do think it's a very interesting idea when you do these, you know, distant future Looks. And then we now have, what, 25 years of comics after this, 30 years of comics after this. And it's just funny how it diverges. You know, it's like, that's not the distant future, but. Because that Supergirl doesn't even exist anymore. But, yeah, I definitely think, like you said, especially the first one, I thought it was. It was very universal as to which Supergirl we could be talking about, because either of them could have inspired this, and I think that's really cool.

11:01
Case
Yes. So, on that note, why don't we get into our conversation about the first chapter? So the story is called the Surrogate. It's written by Chuck Dixon, which surprised me. Was doing a Supergirl story.

11:13
Keith
Right. Yeah. I'm not super familiar with a lot of the artists of the era, because this is before I paid attention to artists. So if you have any insight about the art, I would totally be interested in hearing about it.

11:25
Case
The legend lives on. Dick Giordano. And then finishes by George Perez. Like, they're both.

11:30
Keith
I mean, Georgia.

11:31
Case
Yeah. Giordano is, I believe, best known for being an Inker and being super senior at DC for a very long number of years. I don't remember his exact title.

11:42
Keith
Oh, cool.

11:43
Jmike
Yeah.

11:43
Keith
So, yeah, the first one, this takes up most of the book, right? Like, this is like, half or a little over half the book, I think.

11:49
Case
I think so, yeah.

11:50
Jmike
Yeah.

11:51
Keith
Which is funny because this is the one that literally talks about Supergirl the least, I think.

11:55
Case
Yeah. Yeah.

11:58
Keith
But I think it's honestly done in the spirit of Supergirl the most, which is interesting. Like, Yeah, I liked it. I really liked it.

12:06
Case
Well, it's the only one that actually has, like, a future Supergirl, right?

12:10
Keith
Yeah. Actually gives us a Supergirl of the sort. Yeah.

12:14
Case
Right. So we open with a doctor that looks just like the fucking doctor from the Weapon x. Stuff, like, 100%. Like, we're doing Mad Scientist. Exactly what you expect in a comic book, saying, bring in the next test subject. Or next subject. It's not a test. It's a thing that they do all the time, apparently. The next routine subject.

12:35
Keith
Yeah. I'm sorry, I don't mean to be crude, but that first shot of him, his chin is a ball sack. I'm sorry, that is a ball sack. I normally don't pick apart our vowels. Just like, what the hell? I immediately saw that. It's my first impression of the book. So, yeah, it is interesting. It does very much set up a this ain't your daddy Supergirl, like, right away, I think.

12:58
Case
No, it's very cyberpunk. It's opening with a scenario where, like, basically people are being tortured and subjected to the Matrix effectively, but rather than living out a delusion while their body is being used, their body is barely being kept alive and their brain is being forced into just being, like, slave labor on this, like, hell world.

13:21
Jmike
The worst version of that stuff in the Avatar movies where, like, their brain is in control of, like, the Avatar, basically.

13:28
Case
Yes, yes, Exact setup there.

13:31
Jmike
But I was like, are they just, like, getting the humans they can snatch up and make into the forced labor? Because, like. And they, like, do, like, the wide shot. It's basically like all the humans are there in the chairs. I was like, maybe that's what they're doing.

13:45
Case
Yeah, yeah, no, that's exactly what they're doing. It's. And so this. This woman who we are witness to being, like, being subjected to it for the first time, which they know that once you're plugged in, you can't be disconnected without dying, which just adds an extra degree of horror to this whole situation. Anyway, so she goes into this, like, fugue state and starts, like, flashing back to memories of, like, her childhood.

14:08
Keith
Yeah, and that was probably the highlight of the story for me because it was, like, the hopeful moment. I really liked the story, don't get me wrong. But this is like, again, we talk a lot about the super family and the core concept being hope. You know, that's what everybody talks about, hope. And that's what a lot of people get wrong. So I do like this. There's, like, a hopeful nature. There's a youthful innocence here. I could have probably dealt with more than. What was it, two pages of this?

14:35
Case
Yeah, it's not very much, but they set it up very well for how little information we get, right?

14:42
Keith
Yeah, definitely.

14:43
Case
But, yeah, this girl fantasizes about Supergirl as a concept and the story that she's told because it is this bastardized version that. That is dealing with, like. Like, temporal drift, like, degradation, has this version of a Supergirl that is really just the bare bones Supergirl. Like, you don't need to know, like, the specifics of, like. Well, is she a protoplasmic Matrix entity, yada, yada, or is she just, you know, Superman's cousin or whatever? She's. She's just awesome. She's like a princess or like angel. Pardon me, angel. And that specifically is, of course, the call out to the. The 90s version of Supergirl.

15:28
Keith
Yeah, exactly. And it's. She's. She's an icon. She's not a person. You know what I mean? Like, I think that's really cool. So. And from what I understand, because I did a little research about the overarching thing after we, you know, realized were doing this. That seems to be the whole core concept of these books, which is, even if these people aren't around any longer, Martian Manhunter has basically ensured that their legend lives on. So this is a really interesting way to kind of, like, start that idea.

15:53
Case
Yeah. Each of the books, but this one, like, this story is a very clear example of one of the types of stories that. That Legends of Dead Earth does, which is here's a future version of the character inspired by the legend of the previous character.

16:11
Keith
Right.

16:11
Case
The other style of story is someone is telling a very weird version of the story of the Char. And, you know, like, here's a fantasy knight version of, like, Azrael. Like, but, but. Yeah. So this is doing. This is doing the former. And we get this whole sequence where we see this woman's perception of being plugged into this horrific, you know, like, golem that is designed to work on these, like, this, like, very inhospitable planet that I think I forget the specific details on. Like, oh, mostly methane atmosphere surface degrees, close to 1,000 degrees. It's. It is a hell world and she's been transferred into it. And they don't spend much time on the whole status quo of what. What just happened, because this is. They. They do this all the time because pretty much immediately she freaks out and flatlines.

17:05
Case
She dies, but her brain gets transferred into the body of this automaton and they freak out, but at the same time, they're like, oh, this is fascinating. We should study this.

17:15
Keith
And.

17:16
Case
But the body that she inherits, because it's actually pretty capable, it can shapeshift into anything it needs. It can shapeshift into, like, some sort of, like, energy weapon form or, like, cutting torch or something for mining purposes, but it can. It can shapeshift into whatever. She shapeshifts the form of it into Supergirl.

17:37
Jmike
It kind of like Ivos Android. This.

17:42
Keith
Yeah. One of the cool things I note that didn't come back, and I was kind of waiting for this to be a thing, is they mentioned she's actually the last subject they have. Like, they're out. And I was like, oh, what's going to happen? And that ended up not being a plot point at all.

17:55
Case
It doesn't matter. Ultimately, like, I was like, oh, okay.

17:59
Keith
I was looking for plot points. The entire time reading. And I was kind of really hoping that her. This young girl in her flashback has mentioned that her mother. But her mother's obviously gone. I was kind of hoping her mother ended up being Supergirl. Just. I was. I was like, that'd be a fun twist. And again, but that's not this kind of story. And it was really cool to get, like, I'm setting expectations for myself. And then when, as a reader, as an active reader, if your expectations are met, it tells you what kind of story you're reading. And I think that was really kind of cool, because it's not that kind of story.

18:28
Keith
It's not going to have that happy, you know, oh, triumphant moment like that, but it is going to have a moment of, again, hope of a sort, you know, so, yeah, because we.

18:38
Case
Do get, like, a little bit of triumph, like, first, when she not just is the form of Supergirl, but when she puts the S on her chest, like, she inscribes it with her finger. And it's a very cool moment there. She's so successful. Like, she immediately is much faster than the other ones of these creatures. Or not creatures, these robot forms that they call tool jerks.

19:02
Jmike
Yeah.

19:04
Case
Faster, stronger, because her mind is actually in the body of it, as opposed to being, like, broadcast from space.

19:11
Keith
Right, Exactly. There's no delay in signal, so she's super effective.

19:17
Case
It's a. It's a very super family type scene of her, like, knocking over these, like, really big hulking, you know, robot bodies like that, you know, that's what you expect from a Superman type character.

19:30
Keith
Yeah, totally. I like. I really liked the description of, like, how, like, basically what they're doing, they're getting these natural resources, they're mining, they're doing things that are, like, impossible for actual humans to do. And I like the. What was it called? The matter cannon. I love the idea of the matter cannon. That was cool as hell. Where basically they're on this distant place, they dig up, say, titanium, they push it into this matter cannon, who shoots it at Earth so precisely that it's able to slow down in lower orbit to be collected, which I'm like, you are firing a railgun with titanium rounds, man.

20:07
Case
Yeah, well, I took it as being, like a tractor beam type thing, but.

20:10
Keith
Yeah, but it was very funny to me. I was like, holy crap.

20:13
Case
Yeah, it's fun. And that. That is a nice part where it's like, how does she know about the matter candidate? Oh, God. I told her. Didn't.

20:19
Keith
Yeah, that was great.

20:22
Case
That was also very rare. They are incompetent bad guys.

20:26
Jmike
Yeah.

20:27
Keith
Yeah. Well, because they're. They are industrialists, they're capitalists. They're not villains in the traditional sense. They don't fight for anything. So when they do have to, it's like, oh, crap. What? And then they get overwhelmed, you know, again. So.

20:42
Jmike
Had nobody anticipated this happening? It doesn't seem like the smartest thing to give, like, these random people a uber powerful, able to transform into anything type. I want to say mech, but it's not a mech, but, like, body that is basically controlled by thought. Doesn't seem like the greatest plan ever.

21:02
Case
No, no, definitely not. Well, and then also this, like, the matter cannon itself, they're like, well, shut it down before she uses it to fly up here. And they're like, no, it'd be too expensive to shut it down. Also, there's a chance she would just die and that they rely on that as the option, which, of course, doesn't work for this situation.

21:21
Keith
Yeah, I love it. The greed. It's like, we could solve this, but it would be pretty expensive. Let's just roll the dice.

21:29
Case
Which is kind of amazing that this is a Chuck Dixon story.

21:34
Keith
No comment.

21:36
Case
But then we get this awesome shot of her flying by way of the matter cannon, and we get this caption of, I'm flying, Daddy, I'm flying.

21:45
Keith
Oh, my God.

21:47
Case
As she. As she soars up and then runs on asteroids, which is again, just super, like, super family. And she arrives at the, like, orbital base that they're, like, using to. To mine from in space and. And just like, flies right through it and. And just sucks everyone out into space.

22:08
Keith
Yeah. I. I particularly like the poignant panel where she found her own dead body. I thought that was interesting.

22:14
Jmike
Yeah.

22:16
Keith
But, yeah, it's very interesting. She's obviously like, I like the idea that the legend of Supergirl, you know, made it to her. But also, like, unlike an episode or story we're going to talk about in a moment, apparently the no killing rule that it makes.

22:30
Jmike
Right.

22:31
Case
Well, but she did do one thing, which is she liberated the other people.

22:34
Keith
This is true.

22:35
Case
Everyone else who was trapped in the, like, the tool jerk link up. When they tried to amplify them so that they could fight her, they all transferred their brains as well. And so you can see a shot of her, like, flying through space and all the tool jerks on the ground, like, looking up and watching her go. So, like, she has at least liberated the. The oppressed individuals in this situation.

22:58
Jmike
Yeah.

22:58
Keith
That was a really great touch because they could have told the story without doing that. But I think that really emphasize the hero of it. You know what I mean? Not just the vengeful angel that comes to destroy you because you ruined her life. She saved other people. I thought that was a really great addition to that story to tell that.

23:15
Case
Yeah. So I come off really liking the story. I will say I like the COVID art better than the internal for how she. I like that she's silver on the COVID and she's gold in the actual issue.

23:30
Keith
Yeah, I. I mean, I like them both. I. I think it's kind of cool. I. Honestly, when I looked at the COVID the very first thing I thought is, if her hair is metal, why is it blowing in the wind? But I mean, again, I'm a pedant, so, you know, it's not supposed to be doing that. I don't know.

23:46
Case
It's like. It's like the cloak of billowing from dnd the common item that just like. It just. It just billows. Like that's the only magic thing that's going on with it.

23:55
Keith
Yes. Yeah. But no, I liked it. I thought it was cool. It's a character that I think, yeah, you could revisit this one day, you know, for fun. Sure. You know?

24:03
Jmike
Yeah.

24:03
Case
Jmaic, what are your thoughts?

24:04
Jmike
When I first saw the COVID I was like, oh, it's that one. It's the weird one. We're gonna have fun with it. It's the.

24:12
Keith
It's the. The goo.

24:13
Jmike
Supergirl. I gotcha. But, yeah, totally different. Well, although, like, it'd be kind of funny if she ended up becoming that version of Supergirl by some weird Superman red sun time loop type thing.

24:28
Case
Yeah, she crashed back into Pocket universe Smallville that Lex Luthor then used as the basis for his Matrix entity.

24:35
Jmike
Supergirl. Yeah, it's all a time loop, guys.

24:39
Keith
I mean, we're currently doing a distant future story in Superman books right now. Maybe she shows up in the distant future again. Yeah, just started. So, yeah, I don't want to date this too much.

24:54
Case
So why don't we move on to the next story? This is. So the credits list this in the wrong order. So then the next story in it is the Legend Lives on, but the credits indicate that it should be Shootout at Ice Flats, which is just a funny quirk in this whole situation. So this one is. Well, it's different. It's very different. This is the aforementioned space Pirates 1.

25:18
Jmike
Yes. With no Supergirl at all.

25:21
Keith
I'm going to plant My flag. This is my favorite. It's so stupid. And I love it. I love a big cosmic understanding. And I love the way this one, the Supergirl story has become almost. It's been twisted and to the point that parts of it are unrecognizable.

25:44
Case
Oh, yeah. Like, this is a Twilight Zone episode.

25:46
Keith
It's good.

25:48
Case
Yeah. Like, this is just a straight up Twilight Zone episode where they, like, this pirate ship, like, they find one of their crew members dead, and she was trying to carve what appears to be the Superman s into the ground. And this causes one of them who just knows the stories of dead Earth to recount the story of Superman. And then after that, Supergirl, who. She bastardizes them to being, like, romantic pairing and, you know, like, although. Which is funny because again, the 90s Supergirl does actually marry an alternate reality version of Superman.

26:23
Keith
So I like her being the mother of Superboy. I like her actually being Lois Lane or Lo slain Los Lane, which is great. Like, yeah, I love this one, by the way.

26:34
Case
Definitely had that kind of just. We're going to use a lot of space vernacular.

26:39
Keith
Oh, yeah, 100%. I do like that. The one that knows everything is a Tamaranean. I thought that was a great touch. They could have just made generic aliens, but they did not. I liked that a lot.

26:48
Case
Right. And like the half Durlin.

26:49
Keith
Yeah, exactly.

26:50
Jmike
Yeah.

26:50
Keith
So, no, it was really cool. The Legion of titanic heroes. I'm 99% certain that is just a, like, perversion of the Titans and the Legion of Superheroes.

27:02
Case
So you never know, because this is 90s legion of superheroes. Also, they all have the stripe design, which is the. The, like, the thing you can tell is the Legion of Superheroes part of the design.

27:12
Keith
Yeah, See, like, again, that could be a thing in D.C. history and I would not know. So maybe. I don't know. But, yeah, no, I love it. I like the big, stupid misunderstanding of the whole thing. Like, it's just very funny. So, yeah.

27:27
Case
Yeah. We should note that this one is written by Barbara Kessel with. With Carl Kessel. Kesel. I don't know. I'm not sure how you say it.

27:33
Keith
I say Kessel, you say Castle.

27:35
Case
Yeah, Kessel is how it reads to me. But, like, as a kid, I always.

27:37
Keith
Had Kiesel because of the Kessel Run and spelled different language.

27:43
Case
And I want to say they got divorced at a certain point. I'd have to look that one up, but back then, they were doing. This was, I think, my first exposure to Barbara, but she would then go on to do Sojourn for Cross Gen comics.

27:59
Keith
Yes. And did it very well. I like Sojourn. That's like, probably my favorite Cross Gen book.

28:06
Case
But yeah, I liked Crossgen in general.

28:09
Keith
Me too, dude. Honestly, I'm a Cross Gen defender, so. Yeah.

28:14
Case
Yeah. I mean, we could definitely talk about the Sigils as a Superman analog thing if we wanted to. There's quite a few characters who do very well in that comparison, and just a lot of them just have like a glowing symbol on their chest that gives them Superman like powers. Anyway, so this story, however, is, like I said, it's a Twilight Zone type situation. They see the dead symbol and they all get really fucking paranoid. And then they just start turning on each other. And at the very end of it all, because, like, aside from just like, extra opportunities to be like, well, it could. It might not have been Superman. It could have been Supergirl. And maybe Supergirl's still alive because she was a protoplasmic entity, blah, blah.

28:54
Case
Which is a situation where they're like, I guess she could still be alive to murder us. Which. Which is like a part where I'm like.

29:04
Jmike
How?

29:04
Case
How does the super family get that reputation?

29:08
Keith
I will. And the funny thing is they do mention that she refuses to kill. So this one does remember that more. And so they're like, oh, it must be the one of us that refuses to kill. But I'm like, but the problem is one of you was killed.

29:19
Case
Right?

29:20
Keith
And then. But it's great because in the end, honestly, the last page or last panel really answers all my problems. So I thought that tied it up really nicely. I was like, oh, nice.

29:30
Case
Right?

29:30
Jmike
Yeah.

29:31
Case
Yeah. So it's revealed that what she was actually trying to carve was a symbol for a hazardous chemical that is supposed to be only loaded by robots and will cause extreme aggression, delusions, and paranoia.

29:47
Keith
It's so stupid. I love it.

29:49
Case
Yeah. Before we move on, I do want to call out specifically the panel where they show there was the one time Supergirl went crazy and nearly destroyed the world. They called it the Crisis. Two things I love about this. One, the fact that they called it the Crisis, which at this point in DC Comics very explicitly was Crisis on Infinite Earths. Even though there were plenty of crises before and now there have been, oh, so many crises.

30:13
Jmike
Yeah.

30:14
Case
In the 90s, crisis meant one thing. But two, this outfit is a version of Supergirl's look. She had this berserker form that she did adopt every now and then, particularly when she found out that Lex Luthor was. Junior was actually Lex Luthor Sr. So it's fun that they show a fairly accurate shot of a character, but, like, the context is entirely fucked up.

30:35
Keith
Did she have that many bracelets and shit?

30:39
Case
It looked a lot like it. It's probably not one to one, but it's crazy. Yeah.

30:45
Keith
Yeah. No, I thought that was very interesting. Again, my DC history is way weaker than my Marvel history, so I was like, is there another crisis I forgot about? Like, this book is gaslighting me. So. Yeah, yeah.

30:59
Case
I think we didn't mention the fact that this is Dick Giordano with George Perez on art.

31:04
Keith
Yeah.

31:05
Case
So just in terms of, like, quality of the team, this is probably the one that has the biggest names.

31:14
Keith
Yeah. That's one of the reasons I really like that a Tamarini was involved, because I was like, I bet George is like, I really like drawing Starfire. Can I keep drawing Starfire? Right, Yeah.

31:24
Case
I had the same thought.

31:25
Keith
Yeah, yeah, no, yeah, I like the art. I thought it was really great. So, yeah, it's very 90s, but I like it.

31:32
Jmike
Oh, very 90s.

31:34
Case
J. Mike, your thoughts?

31:36
Jmike
I just laughed when I got to the last panel because I was like, this was weird. And now it kind of makes sense, but it's still very. A very weird, like, episode, kind of. I did. I did laugh out loud when I saw, like, the danger thing. And I was like, oh, Derek. That's what it is. That's like, he said, it's very interesting chapter still no Supergirl shows up in this entire episode. And I was like, why is here?

32:10
Case
Well, this is the one that has the most tenuous connection for sure.

32:14
Jmike
Why? Why is here? I mean, I get it that it's like the. Oh, the boogeyman. Ooh, Supergirl. Yeah. She might show up and get us. I was like, maybe, like, they had come across, like, the new super goo girl. Maybe they had come across her while they were out there traveling. I'm guessing all these stories kind of take place in the same time span. This is really different galaxy.

32:40
Case
They're all over and at different times. It's kind of just a blank canvas for any. Any story to be like, yeah, whatever, because some will actually have, like, set dates, and those are very different. The, like, you can tell that these, they. They really don't want you to even care. It's just like, Earth is gone. Like, this is the. The far future.

32:58
Keith
Don't worry about it.

32:59
Case
Yeah.

33:01
Keith
J. Mike, what I thought was gonna happen in tiny Supergirl is I thought this Powder they found was gonna be super goo, like, dehydrated into powder. And she was actually writing her own symbol to tell them who she was. And I was like, oh, that's cool. And then it's like, no, that's nothing to do with psych.

33:18
Jmike
They just.

33:18
Keith
They just utterly spiraled from Superman to Supergirl because they said superman. Well, there's no men here. And I'm like, well, if it's a shapeshifter, they're like, no, it's a girl. It's gotta be Supergirl. All right, that was pretty funny to me.

33:33
Jmike
It's a nice little weird story.

33:38
Keith
Yeah, definitely.

33:38
Jmike
I keep saying weird because it's a weird story.

33:40
Keith
Well, like you said, Case, it's Twilight Zone. It's very Twilight Zone.

33:45
Case
And these back two chapters are way shorter than the first one.

33:47
Keith
Yeah, of course.

33:48
Case
So why don't we move on to the last story, which is Shootout at Ice Flats. This one is story by Joe Lansdale and Neil Barrett Jr. With pencils by Robert Turkish Taranishi.

33:59
Jmike
Are we sure it's the last one? Because I could have sworn the book said this is supposed to be the second one.

34:03
Case
Right, Right.

34:05
Keith
This one, the art is very 90s. I'm just going to start there. Yeah, it's the most 90s art. I think, like, the previous one was pretty 90s, but this feels straight up. Yeah, this. This is. This sounds disrespectful, the story, but I have to say, the version of this that I read, my favorite part was that there was an old ad for DC Comics in the middle of it with, like, what's going on this week? And I was like, oh, my God, like, time capsule back into what's going on right there and read that one too long. I was like, yay. But no, I thought this was kind of a cool story. It's very, like, you know, sci fi Western. You know, it's that traditional sci fi Western, like trope. Also kind of tangentially related to Supergirl and. But interesting. I. I liked it.

34:50
Keith
I think it's the one. I think it's the. The concept I liked the most. I thought it was a cool idea.

34:57
Jmike
Yeah, I. I will say that, like, the part I like the most about this is, like, I was trying to figure out, like, where she got the ruler from. And I was like, oh, wait, is that actually a ruler? And I was like, wait, she just beat some guy, like, but with a ruler that she was carrying on her hip. And I was like, wait, they don't have guns.

35:17
Keith
Oh, they have a gun?

35:18
Jmike
Oh, yeah, they have a gun. I was like.

35:20
Case
I was like one of these gun things.

35:24
Keith
I love it because it literally. I missed it the first time. Yeah, but it just says Staple O Matic on it. I was just like. I completely missed that part. I was like, why didn't the gun work? And then went back and read it. I'm like, oh, okay.

35:35
Case
Yeah. So. So for. For listeners, the. The story is about this, like, ice Western town, or like, it's like a. It's. It's a town where these, like, Minotaur people live in conjunction with regular humans. And this one sheriff, who is this blonde woman who obviously looks like Supergirl, is the Peacemaker, and the human community are called Toolers, and they just have all this old junk from Earth.

36:02
Keith
Right, exactly. The link with Supergirl is a necklace she's given from her mother, I believe.

36:09
Case
To help protect her, which the mother's interpretation of everything, including it has telekinesis. That means water powers.

36:17
Keith
The S stands for sardine girl.

36:19
Case
Yeah.

36:20
Keith
She is made of this super scientific mud. Yeah, I like the super scientific mud. Poor thing.

36:29
Case
Yeah.

36:29
Keith
I don't know, man. Like, good thing I got this gun. That's very funny.

36:32
Case
But I will say this is actually kind of cool because it is sort of like a. Like a relic in, like, the, like, Catholic sense of a relic. Because it is supposed to be like a shard of the Matrix entity, Supergirl, which is kind of cool to think. Could just be a thing that's out there. And if you are in a situation where she deems it appropriate and you believe in her, you can be empowered by psychokinetic abilities. Which is to say that her mom gives her this. This relic. And when she goes to face off in a western style shootout against this, like, group of Minotaur bandits, well, it's.

37:10
Jmike
Kind of like she. The one guy in the bar pinched her butt and then she slapped him with the ruler and he was like, my. My big sister's gonna get you.

37:21
Case
Well, yes.

37:22
Keith
Can we talk about the other weapons they're wielding? Like a hairdryer without. With the cord cut and an electric razor.

37:29
Case
Like, I like, the most lethal weapon is a sling.

37:32
Keith
Yeah, yeah, that's great. But, yeah, I do like it. And also, like, it does lean into the. The angel portion of it, because this is all the firepower, you know what I mean, of the Supergirl. Like, that's really what we're addressing with this. And I thought that was kind of cool, combining the fire with the effect. Like, yeah, it's so cool.

37:49
Case
Yeah. So this. This woman starts getting like, pelted with. With rocks. And in her moment of desperation, the amulet comes to life and empowers the staple gun so that she, like, pins these, like, cow people against, like, all the boards, like, the. Like, the barns or whatever, and then freaks them out and causes them to run off.

38:09
Keith
Yeah. Also, like, I like the absolutely hideous mounts they have. These are the most horrific things I've ever seen. Like, oh, my God, they're awful looking.

38:18
Case
Yeah. They're like dinosaurs, but they have beaks. Like. Like some kind of, like, parrot.

38:23
Keith
Yeah. And they're just dirty. Like, just absolutely filthy.

38:29
Jmike
Like.

38:29
Keith
Yeah, but no, I thought this was kind of like a fun one. Like, like, if. If Firefly leaned more into aliens, this would be something that happened in, like, season three of Firef. Something like that. Like, 100%.

38:43
Jmike
I just noticed that it actually shot out a staple when she clicked it the first time.

38:48
Keith
Yeah, I didn't click that.

38:51
Jmike
And all the weapons have their cords cut off.

38:53
Keith
Yeah.

38:53
Jmike
I was like, what were they planning on doing? Well, anyway, I love it.

38:56
Keith
I love it. So stupid.

38:59
Case
Yeah. I mean, I don't know what they're trying to say about this backwards world that has, like, no technology and just, like. And just junk, but it is certainly a fun kind of western story.

39:10
Jmike
Yeah.

39:11
Keith
I like the, like, the salvage aspect of it. Like, you see they have, like. In one of the. The. I think it's in the. No, it's when she's at home, they have a TV on the shelf, and, you know, there's no electricity. So why is it there? You know what I mean? Like, right. Like, like, what's going on? There's a. There's a stand mixer. Like, you know, it was. I was looking in the background a lot. I think that's really cool. And then also, like, we get a shot of a blacksmith who's actually making horseshoes, because that's practical. I just think that's kind of cool. Also, is he making horseshoes for the cow people or for their actual mounts? I don't know. Questions. I have questions.

39:46
Case
Right. And then we should note at the very end, the sheriff drops the. The pendant, gives it to a little girl, but she says, I might need this gun thing again. And, like, the little girl, like, lights up with, like, the fires of hope as the very last shot.

40:03
Keith
Yeah, definitely. I thought as a whole, these stories were pretty fun. Like, again, goofy, completely alternate things that have no weight whatsoever, you know? But I like them. They're fun. Yeah.

40:15
Case
So now that we've kind of, like, looked through this all. What are overall impressions of the annual? Like, how is this as a package? Like, would. Was this worth your money in 1996? Like, we're looking at a scan of it because I have the original somewhere, but, like, you know, it's not available on any of the apps right now, and so we can see that it was for 295. Was this worth $3 in 1996 to you?

40:38
Keith
Yeah, sure. Why not? Like, it was fun. I mean, I spent actually, like, three.

40:44
Case
Bucks for, like, this is quite a bit of story.

40:46
Keith
It's like, yeah, honestly, it really made me interested in the rest of the annuals. I'm like, how weird does this get? Is kind of what I was thinking, you know, so. But no, I. I liked it as a whole. Annuals, again, can be stories that, again, don't have too much weight in the overarching stuff. So you get to have fun, and it was fun, so mission accomplished.

41:10
Jmike
Nice.

41:11
Case
J. Mike, what are. What were your overall impressions?

41:13
Jmike
That's a fun Little else World story or stories. Collection of stories. Like, I really. The. The cowboy one is my favorite one. Okay. By far my favorite.

41:24
Case
So that's a good point. Like, this is anthology. Like, is this. Is this served well by being anthology? Like, is there enough space for all these stories?

41:34
Keith
Yeah, Yeah.

41:36
Jmike
I mean, because, Adam, these stories by themselves, I don't think a lot of people would have touched these. It's a little too weird. But together and with theme of them, like, being lost, like the dead Earth stories, I think more people are willing to give them a chance maybe.

41:55
Keith
I definitely think the last story could have used a couple more pages, but other than that, no. I'm gonna think it was a fine format for these stories. You know, again, lightweight fun.

42:08
Case
Yeah. Like, we're going to look at other legends of Dead Earth annuals for the rest of the super family, and I think this is the only one that is anthology like this.

42:17
Keith
Oh, that's weird.

42:19
Case
I'll have to double check on that one. The Bizarre world might be, but I don't remember that one as well. And I haven't reread that one yet.

42:26
Jmike
They ever, like, mention, like, how long it's been or do we have, like, a run in with Martian Manhunter?

42:33
Case
Like, some of them are much more specific about the. The age gap, but like I said, there are other ones that. That do not care.

42:41
Jmike
Martian Manhunter is on his. His Luke Skywalker arc, where he just got, like, a Cloak and he's wandering around the wilderness.

42:48
Case
All right. Yes. But spoiler, we're not going to encounter the Martian Manhunter in the issues that we're looking at.

42:57
Keith
That's awesome.

42:57
Case
And we haven't actually looked at these other ones, so it's hard to really compare them, I will note. So we're going to be looking at, obviously, the Superman books. So there's, I think, four of them there, and they're all very different, which will be a lot of fun. And we're also going to look at the Superboy book, and I'm very excited to look at those. Each of them is a very different story. And that's one of the things that was really exciting about Legends of Dead Earth. It was an excuse to do, like, very strange concepts. Like, the Superboy one is a colony. It's about a colony world that adopts, like, Aztec culture as their go to. And he becomes like a symbol of a sun God.

43:35
Keith
That's pretty cool.

43:37
Case
There's one about a world that has become. It is probably Palestine metaphor, now that I think about it, about a colonialist power that paints themselves as the victim while being a huge aggressor.

43:51
Keith
Wow.

43:54
Case
Yeah. Yeah. So that's, that's the thing, 90s, when you could say some stuff or couldn't say.

44:08
Keith
Yeah.

44:10
Case
Anyway, yeah. So, like, they are going to be very different ones. So I guess. Last question, if you didn't, like, how much does this require, like, foreknowledge? I'm using this as an opportunity to sort of reach out to people who haven't necessarily been on the show before. Like, Keith, you're an exception to that rule because this is the Supergirl one. And I was like, well, obviously we're going to have Keith on for the Supergirl one word.

44:38
Jmike
But.

44:38
Case
But, like, is this a good, like, intro just to, like, a comic book where you're like, oh, do you like Supergirl? Or like, you have a Supergirl T shirt but you know nothing about the character? Here's a comic. Does this work in that way?

44:50
Keith
No, absolutely not. A lot of the charm of this book is the fact that we have a lot of knowledge of Supergirl and we know, like, oh, these stories are incorrect. Hahaha. You know what I mean? So that would be lost on new fans. It would also probably give you a completely wrong idea of what Supergirl's like, especially because it's not even the same Supergirl we currently have. So it is definitely way more of a deep cut for me. Like and, yeah.

45:20
Case
Totally fair. J Mike, do you agree on that point?

45:23
Keith
Yes, 100%.

45:25
Jmike
It was like, he's like, it's. It's not like he said, this is a very deep cut because it's. That. It's. It's the protoplasmic weird superhero thing. Everyone thinks Supergirl, you think Kara Zor El. This ain't Kara Zor El.

45:39
Case
But I would argue that this one doesn't require you to know that much about the protoplasmic Super Girl. If you're coming in as a Kara fan. It's not like the decay of time on the stories is that it doesn't ruin that whole situation for me.

45:57
Keith
Oh, God.

45:58
Jmike
When I saw the COVID my mind immediately went to, oh, it's the weird super.

46:04
Case
It's super good.

46:05
Jmike
Yeah.

46:05
Keith
Super goo. Yeah. And also, like, if I'm going to recommend a book and someone interested in Supergirl, I'm going to pick one with Supergirl.

46:13
Case
Now, that is fair.

46:14
Keith
That's very fair.

46:17
Case
Although, I don't know. I recommend Superman Secret Identity to People as a good intro to Superman book, even though it's not technically Superman.

46:25
Keith
Right.

46:27
Jmike
I took someone to read the Nail with it two weeks ago.

46:31
Case
Well, yeah, that's a good one to recommend.

46:35
Jmike
Not really all about Superman, but it is a Superman story. So, yeah.

46:41
Case
That said, would you recommend this annual to someone who is more versed in comics?

46:48
Keith
Yeah, yeah.

46:50
Jmike
Like, you'll be able to have a good time. You got nothing else to do. When I hear weird little stories that will make you chuckle.

46:57
Keith
Here's this annual when I recommend comics to friends of mine who read comics on the regular. I do so in the interest of having a conversation with them later about it. And yes, I do want to talk about this. So, yeah, I would totally recommend. Yeah.

47:15
Case
And thus the format of this show. Yeah. No, I also would recommend this to people. I think this is a fun group of stories. I think that the shootout at Ice Flats is the thinnest of them. It's a cute little moment that I'm like, oh, that actually would be fun just to introduce into DC lore. Or could you imagine if you're doing a DC role playing game and just like a magic item was the little.

47:40
Keith
Amulet of Supergirl, like some alternate version of the Green Lantern Corps? Just pieces of Supergirl. Yeah.

47:48
Case
Yeah. So I like. I rather like it. I honestly am surprised I haven't done a Superman analog on the surrogate. Probably because it is a character that is, like, doesn't really have a name in the actual story, but I have written the Superman analog threads for a number of the Legends of Dead Earth analog characters. So I should probably go back and do her at least.

48:13
Keith
Yeah, I think there's enough there. Yeah, definitely.

48:16
Jmike
Yeah.

48:16
Case
I mean, I would probably use the entire story in terms of episode art.

48:22
Keith
There's some good shots. There's some really great shots.

48:25
Case
Yeah, there's really good shots. Her flying, her doing some very Superman ish type things like. Yeah, yeah. Well, this was a fun issue. I'm glad that, Keith, that we had you on to talk about it.

48:34
Keith
Yeah, I'm glad to be here. Always.

48:36
Case
So awesome. Well, for listeners who would like to know more about you, Keith, talk about. We have issues and everything.

48:45
Keith
Yeah. So I am a podcaster. My podcast is called we have Issues. I'm part of the certain POV network of shows. So you can find me basically everywhere you find Case and J Mike. So what I do is I do, thankfully weekly reviews of comics. Now. I was doing bi weekly and it was killing me to review 70 comics at once. So I'm back to weekly. So maximum 40 books a week. I just do quick reviews. Usually about a minute and a half, maybe two minutes a book. Because there's so many comics out there. I got to the point where I was like, I want to review them all. They all deserve a spotlight. So I'm going to give them a spotlight, even if it's short. So, yeah, if you're looking for a quick fire review of comics, I'm a great place to go.

49:27
Keith
And we only do positive reviews. I don't bash things. So if you're looking for drama, don't come into my show. Except for this most recent episode, which I'm not going to get into. But yeah, once again on Bluesky at we have issues bluesky Social. And you can find me at keithhasissues bluesky Social, which I hope to start using more of my own personal one. Yeah, it's just. It's hard to manage more than one.

49:50
Case
Yeah, yeah.

49:50
Jmike
For real.

49:51
Keith
Yeah. Other than that, I want to throw out Quick because were talking about it in. Specifically in your questions about, you know, good story for Supergirl, the new Supergirl fans. I will once again always plug Supergirl. Woman of Tomorrow is the best Supergirl story ever made. But also I want to give a little bit of shout out to Future State Superwoman, Cara Zoro Superwoman, which is only a two issue one. It is also an alternate future one and it's done by the Marguerites, Bennett and Sauvage. And it's just, it's what this and another book that you should check out, Future State, House of l are what got me into Superman comics again.

50:24
Case
Yeah, no, thank you for bringing up Future State because that is a very similar project to this where it's indeterminate levels of future. I mean Future State had some words like very specific ones, but there's a bunch that are like, hey, in the far future, the House of El stuff.

50:39
Keith
I really like those. And again, those what got me back into it. So those would be a better one for me to recommend. Hey, are you interested? This is a good one to look into. And then last thing, just because I love me an independent comic, just the nature of this book, I want to recommend a book called Vanishing Point from Mad Cave. It's anthology series. It's alternate distant futures of the earth and they're all twisted sci fi, Twilight Zone style stories. They're all standalone. They're amazing. I got to give that recommendation because Mad Cave is doing the best work in the industry today. So I had to throw that out there too.

51:12
Jmike
Yeah.

51:12
Case
And that sounds like very much in line with this issue.

51:14
Keith
Yeah, it's really good. There's one that's like a twisted dark version of the Jetsons and I'll just leave it at that.

51:21
Case
Excellent. Yeah, excellent. Well, people should absolutely check out we have issues and follow you on all the social medias. Thank you again for coming on. It's so great having you here, man.

51:31
Keith
Yeah, always. I'm always glad to be here. So.

51:34
Case
Yeah. J Mike, where can people find you and follow you?

51:37
Jmike
Well, I am on blue sky at J5 Bluesky Social. I'm also on the Discord where I'll be. I was gonna say I'll be talking about Super Goo, but I won't. It's too much of a deep cutting people on that. But yeah, I'm also there mingling and like hanging out in the shadows. The background of this of the server at me. And I will answer you.

52:02
Case
Yes, and the Discord server is probably the best way to contact all three of us frankly. Like you can find a link on our website or in the show description. The. The Discord is a really fun place to be. We're having great conversations about comics, video games, pop culture. We have a section just for venting and Lord knows this is a time to vent. But yeah, it's a great place to just come and hang out and. And we're really inviting and try to have it like a. A good vibe for everyone.

52:31
Keith
Yeah, definitely. And if you've ever wanted to be on a podcast, there's opportunities, which I'm sure Kase will talk about in a moment.

52:38
Case
Yeah, we are always looking for guests. Particularly we have a new project that is coming out. It is. And by is coming out, I mean it's out. It's been going at this point, by the time this episode drops for several months. It is called Trade School. It is a really cool project where guest hosts get to come on and monologue for five to 15 minutes about a comic book trade paperback that they love. And I actually led off the series by talking about Supergirl Minnie Happy Returns, which is the closing arc to the Peter David Supergirl run. So that is that. That's a good episode to check out. But Keith is on episode two and by the time this drops, I think both you and I both will have had like our second episodes having had dropped.

53:21
Case
Because it's going to be a weekly show.

53:22
Keith
Yeah, yeah. Awesome. And you can see the pattern of what I'm going to be reviewing becomes readily apparent.

53:29
Jmike
Yes.

53:30
Keith
Yes.

53:30
Case
You definitely have a theme going that I won't spoil right now.

53:33
Keith
Yeah, I'm. Yeah, I'm a 40 year old man, I'll just say that. So, yeah.

53:39
Case
Meanwhile, you can find me on most social media. Aace Aiken. You can find me on Instagram etzelcoatl5 because I was pretentious in high school and that was my aim screen name. It's Q U E T Z A L C o a T L 5. Boom. You can find the show@ certainpow.com or on our YouTube channel where this might be where you're listening to. Statistically it's actually probably where you're listening to it. So you know about the YouTube channel at that point. But the YouTube channel is great and we're doing lots of really cool stuff there. Many of those things, however, begin on our Patreon. And so I need to thank some patrons because they are helping make this show possible.

54:21
Case
So I'm going to go ahead and thank those who joined at the executive producer level and that is Micah McCaw, Carter Hallett, Sean Muir Lee Gregor Memento Young, Logan Crowley, Joe Masterpiero, Casey and Nancy Aiken, Adam Samter and Dun dun. Keith Leden and me. These are the people who joined at the executive producer level. You can come and join the Patreon. Even at the free tier, we're doing really cool stuff. I'm doing essays on Mondays and Tuesdays. We're putting out all kinds of material just to get it out to the patrons because we appreciate them and want them to get first access in anything that we're doing as part of certain POV Media.

55:01
Case
But at the paid tiers you get advance notice clips of like what are coming out for the shows and we're developing more and more stuff and you'll get the shout outs and all that. That's at patreon.com certainpovmedia so please check that out. Otherwise, well, next time we're going to be talking about another Legend of Dead Earth issue. I'm not sure which one it's going to be, so stay tuned for that. But until then, stay Super Man.

56:01
Speaker 4
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56:35
Case
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