Another Pass at Godzilla: King of the Monsters (2019)
Case and Sam are joined by Nic Woolfe to stomp like a kaiju (stomp stomp stomp)! We're digging into the Monster-verse with "Godzilla: King of the Monsters (2019)"!
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Overview
In the podcast discussion titled "Another Pass at Godzilla King of the Monsters," the hosts, alongside guest Nic Woolfe, delve into their personal connections to the Godzilla franchise, reflecting on how nostalgia and earlier influences shaped their appreciation for Kaiju films. They analyze the 2019 film's financial performance, placing it within the context of the MonsterVerse, and offer praise for its visual elements, character portrayals, and emotional depth. The conversation touches on the film’s themes, such as the insignificance of personal problems against global threats, and critiques the marketing strategies that may have contributed to its underwhelming box office results. The hosts discuss scientific inaccuracies, potential improvements, and casting alternatives, asserting that while the film has its flaws, it remains enjoyable. They conclude with suggestions for future explorations within the franchise, including their next episode focus on "Highlander 2: The Quickening."
Notes
Introduction and Personal Connections to Godzilla (00:00 - 10:59)
Hosts introduce guest Nic Woolfe for their fifth episode together
Discussion of personal connections to Godzilla franchise
Nick's love for Kaiju came from Power Rangers, Rugrats' Reptar, and later access to classic Godzilla films
The hosts establish they all genuinely enjoy the 2019 Godzilla film
Movie cost between
170-200 million but only made
387 million, falling short of the $400 million target
MonsterVerse Context and Prior Films (10:59 - 21:41)
Discussion of 2014 Godzilla film directed by Gareth Edwards as the MonsterVerse starting point
Brief mentions of Kong: Skull Island as part of the MonsterVerse
Sam shares her family history with Godzilla, particularly her mother's love for monster movies
Case discusses the 80s-90s Godzilla marketing push in Western media
MonsterVerse is praised for continuing to improve since the 2014 film
️ Visual Elements and Character Appreciation (21:42 - 32:54)
Praise for Ghidorah being portrayed as a hurricane with lightning everywhere it goes
Discussion of the elemental nature of the Titans: Ghidorah (wind), Godzilla (water), Rodan (fire), Mothra (earth)
Appreciation for the film's use of mythology and inclusion of Mothra's twins
Strong praise for the cast including Charles Dance, Bradley Whitford, Ken Watanabe
Discussion of the emotional scene where Serizawa sacrifices himself
Themes and Human Elements (32:54 - 42:52)
Comparison between Godzilla: King of Monsters and other Godzilla films including Shin Godzilla
Discussion of the family storyline involving Mark and Emma Russell
Analysis of the theme that 'it's bigger than you' - problems being insignificant compared to global threats
Appreciation for the resolution provided for human characters
Commentary on the film's emotional resonance and how it saved Nick during a difficult time
Critical Analysis of Marketing and Casting (42:52 - 52:52)
Discussion about why the film didn't perform as well financially as expected
Analysis of movie title 'King of the Monsters' being reused from the 1950s
Suggestion that 'Rise of the Titans' might have been a better title
Critique that the film lacked young, attractive lead characters that might draw wider audiences
Observation that the film needed more explanation of the various Titans/monsters
Scientific Inaccuracies and Improvement Ideas (52:53 - 01:02:28)
Criticism of the 'alpha male' science regarding Titans as outdated
Suggestion that more monster battles would have improved the film
Discussion of effective scenes showing the scale of monsters compared to humans
Praise for Ken Watanabe's sacrifice scene and emotional impact
Analysis of how the film's marketing could have better emphasized human perspective shots
Marketing Critique and Casting Alternatives (01:02:28 - 01:13:52)
Proposal that more monster explanations would have helped broader audience engagement
Discussion of how modern trailers often reveal too much compared to effective ones like Independence Day
Suggestion that Sally Hawkins' character shouldn't have been killed early
Idea that Charles Dance could have played Tom Hiddleston's character from Skull Island
Commentary on how the film might have benefited from younger actors in certain roles
Final Suggestions and Conclusions (01:13:52 - 01:24:43)
Discussion about whether including Kong would have helped the film commercially
Suggestion to better explain the costs and benefits of Titans to the ecosystem
Proposal for including anti-Titan lobbyists or weapons manufacturers as antagonists
Overall conclusion that despite its flaws, the film is still highly enjoyable
Guest and host contact information shared
Announcement that next episode will cover Highlander 2: The Quickening
Transcription
00:00
Case
No, I went to see this movie in theaters on purpose, like, and continue to enjoy it.
00:04
Sam
I stop and watch this movie anytime it's on tv. I think I've watched the end, like, so many times, like, oh, this is on. And then I just leave it on. I didn't have to rewatch it today, but I did.
00:16
Nic
Yeah, you know, rewatch this plenty of times waiting for this.
00:21
Case
I know, I know.
00:25
Sam
I was trapped in Macy's today. Nick and I rewatched this movie in Macy's while I waited on the husband couches for my mom and sister to finish shopping.
00:38
Nic
Welcome to certain POV's, another past podcast.
00:41
Case
With Case and Sam, where we take another look at movies that we find fascinating but flawed.
00:46
Nic
Let's see how we could have fixed them.
00:52
Case
Hey, everyone, and welcome back to the Another Pass podcast. I'm Case Aiken, and as always, I'm joined by my co host, Sam Alicea. Hi, Sam. Can I tell you something that's really fucking adorable?
01:04
Sam
Yes, absolutely.
01:06
Case
So my daughter has a stuffed Godzilla toy that she likes to walk around with, and she's learned how to say Godzilla. And she says it in the cutest way possible. She says, gazia, it's so goddamn cute. And it makes me want to talk about the movie that we are discussing today, because today we are Talking about the 2019 Godzilla K of the Monsters. And for that conversation, we are joined by Nic Woolfe.
01:34
Nic
I'm so glad to be here, Case. I'm honored that you brought me on for a fifth episode to talk about a movie where nothing went wrong.
01:42
Sam
Absolutely nothing. It's a perfect film.
01:44
Nic
Absolutely beloved.
01:46
Case
Interesting jumping off point on this one. I feel like we've talked a lot about movies that are kind of blurry between fifth episodes and not fifth episodes recently. And this one, it would very much be in that space because I actually really like this movie. Godzilla, King of the Monsters is one of the last movies I saw in theaters before the Panini. And it. I would have been really happy if this had been the one. It ended up being Birds of Prey, which I also was really happy with. But. But Godzilla, King of the Monsters, like, I went to go see this alone in theaters because I just wanted to see it in theaters that bad. And I was satisfied with the. With the results.
02:20
Sam
Yeah, this is a very fun movie and it's got a lot of monster fights. I actually kind of feel like there should have been a little more monsters. I know the struggle in Godzilla movies is always, like, the people, but I kind of wanted more battles. I don't know. That's just me. That's just me going, I think the.
02:40
Case
Battles we get are really good, but that's fair. The King of the Monsters part would have been nice if Godzilla actually, if we saw, like, Godzilla put down a few monster fights that they kind of imply happen in the. In the after credits.
02:53
Sam
Yeah, yeah.
02:54
Case
Or rather in the credits, I should say. But. But yeah, like, the. The thing is, though, this is a movie that didn't really do that well financially. It got its. Its money back and then some, but it didn't get that, like, double the number. Like, so it cost somewhere between 170 and $200 million. And supposedly they needed to make $400 million to get their full. Their full marketing and everything budget back on this production, and they ended up bringing in $387 million. So it was a scenario where, like, it. It made the money in all the senses that, like, you're supposed to, but, like, not so much that it was like, a huge smash hit. And, like, it's critically not that well received either.
03:33
Case
Like, while there are some critics that are big fans because they're nerds like us a lot, it's like, kind of in the middle range on Rotten Tomatoes and all those. So, like, there's. There's something here for us to talk about.
03:46
Sam
Yeah, I guess. For those lame people.
03:49
Case
Sure. So I guess, like, the. The usual round of questions that we have whenever we talk about something that's part of a larger franchise, like, this is. What's your association with the franchise? Nick, you're our guest. What is your association with the Godzilla franchise?
04:02
Nic
Ooh, just the Godzilla franchise as a whole, or the monsterverse in general. Oh, I. Okay. So.
04:08
Case
Well, I mean, yeah, like, big Kaiju movie monster stuff. If you want to talk about how your love of Gamera led you into something that, like, you're than welcome to like, something like that.
04:18
Nic
I mean, obviously we talk about this. Feels like every time I'm on here, but Power Rangers, obviously, Tommy and the Dragon Zorg, which is basically Mecha Godzilla, kind of instill love there. Also, Rugrats played a part in there with Reptar, and. And we then we get to, like, that. That second movie that they had where they had the giant Reptar Mecca, finding the giant snail Mecca at the climax of the movie there.
04:50
Case
I actually haven't seen it, so I, like, I don't want to be like, oh, yeah, totally.
04:55
Nic
But, yeah, maybe. Maybe I need to come back on to talk about that for another pass because I Have questions on the logistics of how that went down. But yeah, as far as like Godzilla proper, I want to say when I was in college, when I had access to like the college library, they had a bunch of the old classic Godzilla movies. They had the original Gojira, they had the moth reverse Godzilla Ghidra, the three headed monster Envision, the Astro monster, the Mechagodzilla movies. So basically being able to get like the choice cuts of the first era of Godzilla there. And then there's the monsterverse, which was the big next step. And how do we feel about the Gareth Edwards movie that started the monsterverse off?
05:49
Case
I'm overall fine with it. Like it. It's not one that I feel as much of a need to re watch as any of the other ones. Just because it's like kind of like I, I appreciate the Gareth Edwards style of here's the man on the streets view of these giant things out there. I think it is shot well in that regard and did a good job of being the palate cleanser after the 90s Godzilla movie or the 90s Western Godzilla movie, I should say, in trying to be like this is what we can put out there and whatnot. And I think it did a pretty good job of still being a Godzilla movie. The mutos is the way that a Godzilla movie would go. Having some kind of monster, they were kind of boring monsters is sort of my like one area for me.
06:36
Case
And I feel like the. The series has continued to improve since then. But I liked it. I thought it got some hate at the time that it wasn't worth it. But I believe it was a financial success.
06:50
Nic
Honestly, the. Well, I should say that there was some. We had some issue with scheduling this episode because like I want to talk about Godzilla 2019 and you were like, oh, the Gareth Edwards one. And I was like, no.
07:04
Case
That is true. Or rather because we kept on saying Godzilla 2019. It did like have this moment of being like, wait, did we meet 2014 or did we mean King of the Monsters? Just to be clear, I mean King of the monsters.
07:17
Nic
Honestly, the few things I remember from that Gareth Edwards movie are let them fight Bryan Cranston dying early, and the odd casting choice of Aaron Taylor Johnson and Elizabeth Olsen as husband and wife when they were going to be playing siblings one year later.
07:38
Case
Right. It's funny because like that's the thing everyone brings up about the 2014 Godzilla movie. And it's the thing that like when I was actually talking to my wife earlier today about this and she is not a Godzilla movie fan. There's a reason I went to go see this movie in theaters alone because it's just not a Godzilla movie fan. And she's also like, she's like a nerd enough because she's married to me. But when I said that, oh yeah, they. They're like husband and wife and this. And he's like, aren't they. Don't they play siblings and other stuff? And I was like, yes, exactly. That's the thing that everyone talks about. But yeah. So the 2014 Godzilla movie, like, I think it's fine.
08:17
Case
I think, you know, like, I think it did exactly what it needed to do, but it's also the one that I need to like, need to re watch the least.
08:26
Sam
Yeah, I could see that.
08:28
Nic
And then after that was Kong Skull island, which I think is very good.
08:34
Case
Yeah. At that point, we start getting into the like, oops all bangers, I would say series of monsterverse stuff. I think I like King of the Monsters the most of them. Like, I really like the Kong Godzilla like crossover movies, but they. They are very much like, you can turn your brain off kind of things. I. Not that this movie isn't a you can turn your brain off kind of thing, but I think I just appreciate this one a little bit. Maybe it's because of the cool visuals. Maybe it's because it's. The world is still kind of adapting to having this many giant monsters versus, like, they're everywhere. By the time, like, we're just. It's their old hat. By the time we get to like, Kong X Godzilla or whatever the most recent one was where it's just like, oh, yeah.
09:13
Case
There's Godzilla's taking asleep or taking a nap in the coliseum.
09:16
Sam
Yeah.
09:17
Case
We just have to deal with it.
09:19
Sam
Oh, you know how it is.
09:22
Case
Ice monster version of Godzilla, like in. In the heart of not just an inner earth, like an inner hollow Earth, but an inner hollower. Inner hollow earth that is deep beneath hollow Earth. Like, was. Was the. The wildness of that movie. This one, I think it's still there. We're still like, you know, still feeling out the monsterverse and how. And how crazy we want to make it. And it ends up being the right balance for me.
09:46
Sam
Yeah. Although I would like more monster battles also. I'd very much appreciate. I'm just putting this out there. As a New Yorker, I very much appreciate New York not being destroy. Very pleased with the chance for Boston to be destroyed. So kudos to the filmmaker on that. You know, New Cities.
10:05
Case
On that note, I know we've talked about this before because we've talked about, we Talked about the 90s Godzilla movie before, but could you just refresh for everyone, like your history with the Godzilla franchise?
10:16
Sam
Oh yeah. I get it from my mama. So my mom is a big monster movie like and B movie lover. Like she loves all of those cheesy monster movies, but Godzilla probably like reigns supreme in her. He's the king of the monsters to her for sure. You know, more than the Blob, more than the thing. Like my mom, like Godzilla is her. Actually got her a Godzilla piggy bank for Christmas where you put a coin and it has like six different songs. So six different version of Godzilla songs and roars. And every time it's different and Godzilla pokes out and steals the coin. And that was her favorite thing I gave her. I gave her other things.
11:00
Case
That is pretty cool. Just for the record.
11:02
Sam
Yeah, no, it really is. And the best part is now every time someone enters my parents apartment, because it's like in the main living room, there's a jar with coins right next to the piggy bank so that you can basically do it. And then my mom empties it out and then leaves it empty. So it doesn't actually store the coins for very long because it gets filled up far too quickly. Because we all want to play with Godzilla. We all want the chance for the music and roars to come out and then for him to steal a coin. Yep. So yeah, a lot of Godzilla movies just at home watching with my parents. If it's on, my mom's going to watch it. And it honestly does not matter which decade or how horrible like, or how much people did not like that particular version.
11:55
Sam
My mom's going to watch it and she is going to complain sometimes about the way that Godzilla looks, but she's still going to finish the whole movie, like 100%. And so, yeah, very often that is me too. Which I honestly, I'm going to say this guy's the Apple TV show monarch. I actually think that Godzilla might be one of the cutest Godzillas. He still looks spiky, but I definitely, absolutely want to boop the snoot. And I would like him to be my pet. And I love him so much. Love him so much. He's my favorite right now.
12:29
Case
You're going to make me get Apple tv, aren't you?
12:32
Sam
It's a really good show. But also, this one is close second. This one is very cute. I love his wide face. So what I'm going to say is that my criticism, or lack of criticism of this movie is not based on. I'm very biased is basically what I'm saying. I am incredibly biased.
12:51
Case
Yeah. Nick, you brought up an interesting point by alluding to Power Rangers into Reptar. That I think is true for all of us at this point, which is that we're deep into the generation's love of Godzilla. Godzilla is a character that even our grandparents would have seen in theaters and it wouldn't have been ridiculous for them to have done so. And our parents grew up in a world where Godzilla was a thing, and we grew up in a world where Godzilla was a thing for our parents too. So like there. There's so many referential material that reinforces it all. Like Godzilla was just, you know, ubiquitous for all of us in a certain degree. And you know, for me, like, there was a push in the late 80s, early 90s to bring Godzilla stuff to western audiences. While like the.
13:38
Case
The 80s relaunch of the sh. Of the, like the. The movies were happening in Japan. And so from like, I remember an action figure line that was like pretty big in like that sort of like I'm 5ish, kind of. And the movies were being released on VHS at the time. And then Cartoon Network came out and they had very limited rights to shows at the time. And so one of the big things for them was that they had the entire Hanna Barbera catalog and that included the 60s or 70s, I'm guessing 60s, but maybe early 70s Godzilla cartoon, which. With Godzooki. And I watched the. Out of that show because it's, you know, the same basic kind of setup that anything also a giant Power Rangers nerd fanboy is gonna appreciate.
14:29
Case
I mean, like, Godzilla as a friend of humanity is so fun when you're a little kid that, you know, I. I was really into that. And then as I was getting older, especially like my like middle school age, my, like my friends and I, we would like, rent Godzilla movies and like, stay up like, you know, until like sunrise on like Friday or Saturday nights watching those Godzilla movies together. And just like dumb high school boys, just like, you know, when you try to stay up as late as you can just to see if you can. It was like that. That phase of being stupid that like me as the father of a toddler cannot even like, fathom, like, choosing to stay awake as long as one can. Sorry, I'm bitter. Bitter at old me. Or rather young me.
15:16
Case
Young, young case Was dumb and old case is mad at him anyway, so. So, yeah, like, you know, the Kaiju stuff was such a. An element for me growing up and has always been like one of the things that I really enjoy that the Godzilla franchise has always been, you know, the flagship of. Of that all. In a way, you know, it's usurped the role from King Kong. And Godzilla is just like. If you think. If you ask someone to just picture a Kaiju, you'd think Godzilla. And so that's where I'm coming at it. I was, you know, also, like, coming into high school right when the 90s Godzilla movie came out. There was a big marketing push for me. And it coming off of Independence Day, like that Roland Emmerich stuff, like, also, you know, really took hold. Like, the, like, I.
16:01
Case
As it is, I can't help but think of like, the radio edit version of Cashmere that played with like, the Godzilla roar stuff because it was used in, like, it was like, sampled in some fucking. I forget what song.
16:13
Nic
Yeah. And all the. Not viral marketing, I guess it's just marketing on, like, billboards and buses with like, his head is as big as this billboard or his foot is as big as this bus. Like, that kind of thing.
16:26
Case
Right. So, like, I was like 13 when that came out somewhere in that ballpark. And I was inundated with that kind of viral marketing and like, it. I was really excited about a Godzilla movie then, and I didn't hate it at the time, but I was certainly more excited to like, see, you know, more Godzilla material that was like, authentic to Japan or anything or. And was in for that. But also, I should note that, like, I. I really like Godzilla stuff, but it's never been like, as close to my heart as like a Power Rangers or a thing like that there. Like, I have always, like, longed for like, a. A really good western made one just because it would appeal a little bit more to some of my sensibilities. And.
17:05
Case
And then we kind of got that with this movie, which might be sort of why I love this movie so much. It's like such a true Godzilla movie, but entirely from a Western, like, production scheme, which is just the wild part for me. Yeah. So, yeah, can we just gush about this movie for a little bit and before we, like, start nitpicking, let's talk about it. I freaking love Ghidorah being this, like, storm of lightning everywhere it goes, like this giant hurricane. Someone pointed out that they call him a Category 6 hurricane, which is an impossibility. Because Category 5 is like anything bigger, like, is like all possible storms. And it's like, oh, no, he's so big that he eclipses what we have definitions for.
17:50
Sam
Yeah. I mean, there's a certain amount of science you have to throw out the window for some of these movies.
17:59
Case
Yeah.
17:59
Nic
But I. Yeah, I.
18:01
Case
Sorry, Dicko.
18:02
Nic
Yeah, yeah. I got a chance to watch this movie with the Blu Ray director's commentary twice. And they managed to. And they. Michael Dougherty and the writer, Anna, one of the actors, O' Shea Jackson Jr. They go into detail about how the key player Titans are kind of elementals, like old world elementals with Ghidra being Wind, Godzilla being water, Rodan being Fire, and Mothra being Earth. And it's like they. It's like, that's really. It's really cool to see how they thought all this out.
18:38
Case
Yeah. I think that's stretching it with Mothra. But.
18:40
Nic
But maybe a bit.
18:42
Case
But I do appreciate that I. I like the idea she was born in a cave. I mean, sure. Like I. Like I said, it's like, I. I like the idea. I'm just saying that specific one is like. And because there's so many other ones out there. So, like, it. It doesn't need to be like, oh, we can just like shoehorn it in because. Because I like them being these. These Titans being this sort of idea that, like, the world is very old. You know, in this movie we deal with, like, there's like, there's this like, this one point where it's like, looks Egyptian or Roman, as if like the Roman one is like, even older somehow. But it's like, no, that's not.
19:16
Case
No, guys, Rome is pretty recent, but I do like the idea of being like, oh, there was ancient civilization and it was so different because these, like, crazy powerful forces of nature were out there. And, you know, obviously you could see how that would like, disrupt any sort of like, period of like, human development and, you know, reset the clock in such a way. Like, this is.
19:39
Sam
Yeah.
19:40
Case
Like between this and like the hollow Earth stuff. Like there. This is almost like a tabloid magazine kind of like having fun with like a weekly world news, like kind of perspective of like how the world actually functions, where it's like, no, they're secretly monsters, like, buried under all the great cities of the world because they're ley lines and they happen to have, like, there's a hollow world with, you know, giant monsters, like, moving around inside of it. Like, just. Just underneath us all. Like, it. It's so Goddamn silly. In a fun way. And this movie feels like it's having fun with it how.
20:13
Sam
Yeah. And it's nice. Oh, sorry. That they bring in, like, mythology and kind of make it a little more palatable for a Western view to it because they tweak a little bit, but kind of still part of the initial lore, so I think that was good.
20:28
Case
Yeah. Speaking about Mothra, I love the. The. The later movie reveal of the twins being in there. Like, that's such a cool feature that, like, we just have a character who. Yeah. You know, like, if you're thinking about it probably, like, stands out, but. But when we finally get that twin where it's like, it ties back to the. To the Mothra lore, it's like, oh, that's really fun. I'm very happy there. Like, this movie very much appreciates its source material.
21:01
Sam
Oh, for sure. Yeah. Which is one of the things that makes it so much fun for someone who, like, enjoys all aspects of Godzilla. This is. This is, like you said, a very Godzilla happy movie. And all I really wanted was more monster fun, less people talking, which is very rare for me to say because I like character development. But I'm like, did we need it maybe a little bit, Maybe to cry, you know, more monsters?
21:31
Case
Yeah. I don't know. I was pretty cool with the people talking that we got in this movie. I love Charles Dance, by the way. I think he's so goddamn fun. And the fact that we just. I'm totally down for just like, yeah, we can have Tywin Lannister just in everything. I'm like, yeah, no, that's fine.
21:48
Sam
Oh, yeah, he was amazing.
21:50
Nic
Like, between watching this. Every time I've watched this movie, I always come away thinking, God damn. Bradley Whitford is doing the Lord's work as Rick on the.
22:03
Case
Yeah, he's. He's very. On the Monarch on the Monarch team. There is one point where he. I had to, like, ask, like, oh, were they trying to cast, like, a younger actor? And they ended up going with Bradley Whitford because, like, when they're going into, like, the Radioactive den of Godzilla, and he's like, we should stop because I want to have kids someday.
22:21
Sam
Yeah.
22:22
Case
I'm like, oh, that's just a little bit weird. Just because Bradley Woodford, like, is old. Like, is old enough where, like, well, you probably had your kids at this point. I'm just saying. Just saying.
22:31
Nic
He. He could still have kids.
22:33
Case
Could still have kids. Yes. But just.
22:36
Sam
Yeah. Yeah. Does feel like a line that would be for an, like, A younger person.
22:42
Case
Right?
22:43
Nic
Yeah, I. I am kicking myself. Like, when were originally going to have this meeting in, like, July, I didn't realize until now that Bradley Ford was the villain from Billy Madison. Like, Eric, who's like, business fails the. He fails the competition because he.
23:02
Case
Yeah, yeah.
23:06
Nic
And of course, the West Wing.
23:09
Case
Yeah. But, like, the rest of the cast is. Is pretty solid as well. I mean, look, Kyle Chandler is very much a, like, we need a dad to be a hero kind of actor. Millie Bobby Brown, who is like. Or was exploding, still is exploding as a star. This was, you know, just an interesting term there. We mentioned Charles Dance o' Shea Jackson, the Ice Cube's son.
23:36
Nic
Bear farming. Yeah.
23:37
Case
Ken Watanabe, obviously coming back from the previous Godzilla movie. Like, solid cast here. Yeah.
23:44
Sam
Everyone's really well placed, I think. And there's a. There's a lot of people, for sure. But it is also, like, a really good multicultural cast, too.
23:57
Case
Yeah. Yeah. It felt, you know, I alluded to Independence Day earlier, which also had the benefit of that. Like, it felt like one of those, like, here's a giant disaster and it's humanity coming together to kind of deal with it situations.
24:09
Sam
I mean, it definitely was. Yeah.
24:12
Case
So, I mean, that I. I felt like the interactions of all the humans in this movie was like. Was fine. You know, it. I could. I would. I would take this movie being slightly longer with a few more monster fights, rather than necessarily trimming out the human content in this movie.
24:28
Sam
Yeah, I mean, I wouldn't trim it completely, but I think there were a couple of scenes and a couple of interactions that could have been edited down a little bit to make this movie a little tighter. Not to say that the performances were bad. I don't think so. But I think that there are some points that were kind of reiterated a couple of times where I'm like, well, we already know this information. We already got this emotional beat. Now we are getting it again to kind of drive it home one more time. And I don't know if necessarily the payoff, the emotional payoff later, it's really necessary for those moments. And it could be that some of the stuff where they're repeating is because this is a continuation of another movie.
25:14
Sam
And so if you kind of just want to see this one, it's kind of good sometimes to have the characters be like, hey, remember when this happened? Isn't that sad? I think that's like kind of one of those things that happens. But I do think that there were a couple of scenes that could have been A little bit tighter just to make this movie a little bit. Just a little bit tighter for the human stuff and then fit some more monster stuff. Not necessarily cut everything, but maybe just be a little more selective.
25:46
Case
Yeah. I will say that this movie recaps the 2014 Godzilla in a pretty effective way, capping off with a pretty humorous joke. Thomas Middleditch in this one, who I believe has had some misconduct allegations, so. But at the time was being really well received for. Was it Silicon Valley on hbo. So he has this, like, scene where. Where it's just like, we're gonna step out of the room. Please watch this video. And we've censored the spots with the sexual reproductive organs. And it cuts like, it cuts to just a scene from 24 Gods 14 Godzilla. And then all of a sudden, like, most of the muto faces turn like, it blurred out and it's just in the background as they're like, walking away. So, like, you have to be, like, paying attention to it.
26:27
Case
But, like, when I caught that, I like, laughed so hard just because it was like, at least we're having fun with like, the franchise right here. Like, this is the kind of movie we're in where it's just the sexual organs. On. On these giant monsters were their faces. And moving on.
26:47
Sam
I was like, if not, let me secretary know. And then they just ran out. Great.
26:51
Case
Other things we liked in this movie.
26:53
Nic
Them going to Godzilla's lair to try and revive them after the whole Oxygen Destroyer happened.
27:01
Case
Oh, yeah. Actually on that note, the fact that they used the Oxygen Destroyer was a fun element just to like, tie into the Godzilla lore of this all. Like the Godzilla or the Oxygen Destroyer being like the weapon from the original movie. So that. That by. By itself is really cool. But yeah, like, going into lair is really cool. Jump starting Godzilla with. With a nuke was really fun. And then we get like the burning Godzilla from Godzilla vs Destroyah, but like a western version of it.
27:27
Nic
Yeah, yeah, that's really good. And honestly, I do.
27:30
Sam
Honestly, the final battle is so awesome. Go on. I'm sorry, Nick. Excited.
27:35
Nic
Yeah, I. Yeah, I do want to say I remember first seeing this in 2019 where I was in a much worse spot than I am now. Just like very like, very low point in my life. But watching this movie and specifically getting to the part where, like, Sarazawa decides, oh, we're getting out of here is if I give up myself. And he has that whole monologue with Kyle Chandler about how, like, the only way to heal from our wounds is to make peace with the demons that created them. And, like, the music that plays when he's walking up to Godzilla with the nuke, like, it sounds a lot like the prayer for peace music from the original 54 movie. And, like, I was just blubbering mess throughout the rest of that film.
28:30
Case
Yeah, it's a really effective scene there. The rest of the line delivery, like. Like. Like you said, the. Like, the only way to heal is to forgive the demons, like, or whatever. The specific line. His delivery of that is so good. Yeah, yeah. Excellent component there then. Yeah, continue.
28:49
Nic
I'm like, it's not too much of a stretch to say that this. I think this movie saved my life.
28:58
Sam
I could see that. It is actually like, a very. I think, you know, like, first of all, it is like, said. I'm not going to say the Independence Day would save your life, but it is one of those rallying cries, right? Where everyone is. Is kind of coming together and they're realizing that this thing that they thought was not. Was harmful is actually the thing that can save them. Right. And they have to team up with that. And there's something so, like, beautiful and emot and lovely about, like, that sense of, like, acceptance and forgiveness and like, trying to survive everything amongst all of that destruction, which is, like, so beautiful. And then there's just awesome monster fights. So it's really entertaining.
29:40
Sam
So I could totally see why that would, like, you know, it's like this beautiful kind of message wrapped in wonderful effects and. And destruction. Beautiful, beautiful destruction.
29:54
Case
Yeah. I just realized it's very much like a literal version of. Of. It's bigger than you. Like, the. Yeah, everyone's problems are, like, so insignificant compared to, like, ultimately the fate of the planet because of Ghidorah. And, like, you can have a personal grudge with Godzilla, but Godzilla is this. This force of nature, you know, it's like. And it's a protective one at that. And. And so, like, you. You have characters who have been hurt so bad and personify that hurt in Godzilla. I guess personified's wrong. You know, focus it all in Godzilla and like, the. To have them, like, move past that and, like, accept the fact that Godzilla is a natural part of, like, the world's order. And that is essential to, like, keeping everyone safe. Like, again, it's bigger than you. Literally. Godzilla is bigger than you.
30:47
Case
Ghidorah is really rocking big.
30:51
Sam
They're all bigger than you.
30:52
Case
Yeah. But at the same time, you know, metaphorically, like, the. The. The issues at play, like, the hurts that. That we're all feeling the individual burns and. And. And, you know, betrayals and so forth. Those are inconsequential next to it all. So it. It's. It. It's just fun in that regard. Like, yeah, it's taking a seat. Yeah, it's taking a thing that we're, you know, like, the. The hurts and the pain. Like, it's the thing that these movies have always done, which is, you know, we take the social problems that we're addressing and then give it form. And in this case, the form is a huge nuclear dinosaur.
31:29
Sam
It's like even the family finds a kind of resolution at the end, right? Like. Like, when you really think about it, there's two parents with all of this hurt from losing a child, from. From failing to protect him. And. And they're on these very different journeys. You know, in some ways, I mean, as misguided as it is, the thought behind, you know, vera farming, Dr. Emma Russell's character, is trying, you know, to also kind of bring upon this, like, bigger than us, right. Like, we are killing the planet. Right. Like, so it's going the wrong direction with the message, but it's still there, right. She's like, you know what? We are the problem. And at the end of this, you know, horrible journey where all three of these family members kind of go their own path, right.
32:27
Sam
They come together at this end because that child, you know, their child for. For Mark and Emma is most important. So they go home, which. Right. Which is kind of great because they didn't think they could go home again. And they go home and they find her, and it's like, okay, we're reunited and you have this moment of, like, reconciliation, which is really nice. And yes, it doesn't. Oh, it didn't end up with. The family got to stay together, but Emma got to make things right in her own way, and they at least had that moment. And so there's like, this moment of, like, things do come together. There's a lot of resolution in this film, even if it ends with Godzilla screaming at the top of heaps of Boston, which is also still cool. But. But there.
33:18
Sam
There is a lot of resolution for the. The human characters of this film and acceptance of this film.
33:28
Case
Yeah. Again, I really like this movie.
33:31
Sam
Yeah.
33:32
Nic
Like, we didn't. We didn't talk about the. The other side of the world and the Godzilla movies coming out of there, like, Shin Godzilla and Godzilla minus one. Shin Godzilla, I thought was all right. Maybe I would appreciate more if I had a better understanding of the, like, the situation that inspired it. Like the nuclear meltdown. Like, it feels very, it just feels like it felt like a more personal story for a Japanese audience, which is fine. Like Godzilla minus one I loved. I think it's great. But at the same time, I don't feel like that means we need to negate the existence of these movies because I've been in circles where it's like, oh, well, we got the good movies coming from Japan and the bad movies in the U.S. No, I think that.
34:21
Case
We, I mean, I, I, I'm in agreement with you, I, in that I, I think that we are in a great time for Godzilla movies in general. Shin, Godzilla is divisive, but generally well liked, but very much not by some specific people. I, I liked it well enough. I actually haven't seen minus one just yet. I, it's one that I've been saving for like a fun night kind of thing.
34:47
Sam
Actually, to be honest, I actually have not seen it yet either because I've been so busy and I am like, I'm like, oh God, please don't let it be taken off of anywhere where I can watch it because I will be so sad. But yeah, I've been so busy in the last few months and I really want to be able to like sit down and actually like enjoy it.
35:08
Case
Right. That's kind of the thing with that one. Like, it's so well regarded by people that you're like, oh, I really want to like stop and enjoy this. Like my first viewing of it.
35:15
Nic
I mean, catch it while it's still on Netflix.
35:18
Case
Yeah, yeah, that like, that's the goal. I also, I have almost convinced my wife to watch it with me when I do, which is going to be a huge win because that is not how it went with this movie. And that I think is a good pivot into. We should address issues with this movie which going to start with. I saw this movie in theaters by myself and it was not a very well populated theater at the time. This movie didn't do super hot and I think I like it. Obviously it made a good like an unrealistic amount of money in previous movie things, but it, in terms of like making as much of back it did not do well enough by Hollywood standards for things. And I, I think we should start with like just why did I see this movie alone?
36:01
Case
And so I asked my wife about this and we, I tried to get to the root of the thing, like why couldn't this be a couples movie when something like Pacific Rim has been for us and. Because, like, that seems like an interesting juxtaposition right there.
36:15
Sam
Right.
36:16
Case
And so one of the key things on this one was that there wasn't really, like, a big draw aside from the monster fighting stuff. Like, the. The cast is very good, but there's no one there that's necessarily, like a, oh, shit, I need to see this movie because that person's in it kind of actor. Yeah.
36:31
Nic
Like, when you look back at Skull island, that's got Shay Shea Wickham is a bad example as, like, a big draw. Like, he's a great character actor. Love him. But you got Samuel Jackson, Tom Hiddleston, Brie Larson. See, like, some John C. Reilly.
36:48
Case
All of those are much better names in terms of, like, getting someone, like, the butts in the seat, or especially in terms of getting people who would be like that. Like, that significant other to join in them. Or the people who are, like, less decided because this movie was going to get all of us who are big Godzilla nerds in, like, if you're. If you're into Kaiju fights, this movie was selling you on the Kaiju fight side of things. And that was an interesting conversation to have just to be like, okay, so, you know, what would have been. Things that could have gotten me to, like, convince you. My. My. Like, my wife to join. My wife to come join me in the. In theaters for this. In. In the.
37:25
Case
In the before times when we didn't have a child and thus actually just do this on a random night. So one thing she brought up that I thought was interesting is that there isn't, like, a core. Like, there isn't the equivalent of the Aaron Taylor Johnson and Elizabeth Olsen characters in this movie. Like, there aren't, like, the young. Like, the. The. The couples in this movie are, like, a little bit older because they're the parents. Like, there isn't, like, a. Like, a young, hot character for either gender. Unless you consider Millie Bobby Brown, who. I feel so creepy positioning her that way.
38:01
Sam
Right.
38:02
Case
And I was like, okay, well, that's an interesting one. Yeah, yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah.
38:07
Nic
I mean, they got that young buck, Bradley Whit.
38:10
Case
Right.
38:10
Nic
He's gonna have kids someday.
38:11
Case
Exactly. That's sort of the thing that if Bradley Whitford was, like, as much as great as he is, like, that part was written to be, like, some, like, young, hot actor. Like, I think that's there's a reason why, like, o' Shea Jackson gets as much coverage in the cast of this movie is. Because they just didn't have someone like that in this movie. Like, because that part is not that big.
38:32
Sam
Yeah. Him and Anthony Ramos. So Anthony Romas was in his big then because he hadn't done Hamilton yet, right?
38:39
Case
No, true. Yeah. And. But they're similarly sized parts. Like, the. The Osha Jackson role is only a little bit bigger. And he's like. At all the Comic Con, press tours and everything. And I get, you know, so he's like Ice Cube. So, like. But. But at the same time.
38:53
Nic
And he also says some of the best lines of the movie. Like, he has the one. He has the one. F bomb. And then when Mafa shows up, he's like, so she and Godzilla got a thing going on. How's that work?
39:06
Case
Yeah, yeah. And. And so that is the character that is the closest to that type. But, like, I almost. Like, he's just, like, a little too small of a part in this movie to be that. That drawing character. Or.
39:16
Sam
Or.
39:16
Case
Or maybe just the marketing wasn't sort of, like, focused on him specifically. Like, that's. That's an interesting thing there. Like, do I agree this movie had to have it? No, but again, I'm the target audience for this movie, and I loved it. So, like, I'm just trying to, like, come at it from the, you know, alternate perspectives. So, like, that was a scenario. Another one is that, like, well, what was that? So, like, that's the Pacific Rim 2. Reason my wife joined me in theaters for that one because that had Clint Eastwood's son. And that was like, her like, oh, yeah, I'll watch a movie with him in it. Kind of logic there. Meanwhile, Pacific Rim won. The argument was Guillermo del Toro. It was the director that was the driving point for it. And it doesn't have to be like, look, like, I.
39:54
Case
I'm not saying that, like, for a movie to be successful, you have to have an established director, because then you'll never actually, like, get, like, new directors to, like, really prove themselves. And I think this movie is directed fine. I just mean that there needs to be, like, some production element like that is a draw for, like, oh, what is interesting about this movie? It's, you know, written and directed by a relative unknown. You know, like, there's no. There's. It's kind of like the. The producers of. Or there's none of that. Like, it's just like, well, here's the next Godzilla movie, and it's a Western Godzilla movie. So, like, that I thought was, like, kind of an interesting detail.
40:32
Nic
I'm just looking at. What else is Michael Daughtry done? Like, he's done a lot of writing. He did the script for X2 and Superman Returns. All right. And. Oh, he did Krampus. That was a lot of fun. Although, I don't know he could sell it. From the director of Krampus comes Godzilla.
40:49
Case
Yeah. I love his Wikipedia article now that I'm looking at it, because at the end of the paragraph where it's just like. It lists the, like, seven things he's, like, known for, which are, you know, Godzilla, king of the monster, Godzilla, King of the monsters. Godzilla vs Kong, and X2 are probably the three best things on this list. And I like Superman Returns, but, like, let's be honest here. The last line is, collectively, Daughtery's work has grossed over $2 billion at the box office, which feels like just like his agent wrote, giving him the benefit of the doubt and not saying that it was him anyway. Yeah. So, like, that's just like this. That was like, some, like, Of a layperson's perspective on this movie.
41:29
Case
Like, you know, someone who was encouraged to watch it with their significant other and chose not to because there wasn't a big draw for it. And. And now, sure, like, some of this is also us trying to be as. As critical as we can be with our approach to it. But, you know, getting into it, like, also, like, what is this movie? And this gets into a question that I have about this movie, which is the name of it. Calling it King of the Monsters, I think is an interesting one because it is a reused title.
42:00
Nic
It's what the original Gajera was retitled when it was brought to America. And they added in extra scenes of Raymond Burr as, like, the American on the ground, giving us the story of going on in Tokyo that night Godzilla showed up.
42:19
Case
Well, I was gonna say it's also. Then there's like, the video game franchise from the 90s, which. Which I would know about because I.
42:24
Nic
Was a giant nerd.
42:25
Case
But. But the point is, like. Like, in. In talking to my wife about it, she was like, I mean, what is the movie even about given the title? And it's kind of funny because so many Godzilla movies are just like, Godzilla verse, like, X thing. You know, Godzilla versus Kong is. Is just that. But, like, it's interesting to be like, oh, well, yeah, I guess it's a reused title and is also like, Godzilla is the king of the monsters. I think they established. I think it's reinforced well enough in the movie. But from the standpoint of like, trying to attract a person. Like, okay, cool. That's. That's. That's fair enough. Personally, for me, and I realize that this is not a more expositional title.
43:00
Case
I think that this movie should have been called Godzilla Rise of the Titans, which is a line actually used in the movie at one point.
43:06
Nic
Yeah. Then they could have a title drop and you could go, that's the title of the movie, right?
43:10
Case
Well, yeah, I mean, yeah, exactly. But. But also just to be different from. From previous ones. And. And it sort of can. It also is, well, you know, reinforced in the movie because it is the. The rise of all these monsters who are all waking up in it all. And I think that. That maybe, I don't know, off the.
43:30
Nic
Top of my head, probably could have called it also Godzilla Taking Back the Earth.
43:39
Case
Welcome to Earth Independence Day. Yeah, so, like, that was. This is just interesting feedback because I was trying to like, approach like, well, what. What are the three of us going to talk about in terms of like, working on this movie? Considering, like, again, there are real reasons, like, you know, not critically loved, not financially super successful, but the three of us also Godzilla nerds. Other problems with this movie. Nick, what did. What. What objections were you going to raise?
44:10
Nic
Well, there's the fact that this movie kind of implicitly condones the eco terrorists of the movie because they were on. They're like, let's unleash all the Titans and give the Earth back to them. And then they do stop it. But there's still the fact that the Titans are there. And then through the handy dandy post credit montage, they're like, and the Titans are helping heal the Earth, which I appreciate, but it's also like, like, so the eco terrorists were right.
44:42
Case
Yeah, I mean, it's sort of like the old joke about Poison Ivy being that she has remained the same, but has gone from villain to anti hero just because we've all sort of woken up to the just how right she was in the first place.
44:57
Sam
Yeah, yeah.
44:58
Case
I mean, like, I. It's the kind of thing where like, the argument is that they were like, kind of. Right. Except they unleashed Monster Zero, which is an alien, and it's is thus like the more destructive force and is going to destroy everything.
45:09
Nic
I also don't know how I get that it's accurate to the old lore, but I feel. I wonder if making Ghidorah an actual alien, like 1 is throwing too much at the audience and 2 kind of ruins the metaphor of these being like ancient Titans from Earth's past.
45:27
Case
Well, I think they established Ghidorah still being like super ancient to our history, like from its initial, like time arriving. So like, I. I don't know, I. Like, Ghidorah doesn't look that alien is the thing. Like, it looks just like a dragon, you know, with multiple heads. Might be the one area where it's just like. Well, or rather it doesn't look like what we, you know, traditionally ascribe as alien in. As opposed to like space Godzilla.
45:57
Sam
Right?
45:58
Nic
Yeah. I mean, I'd be. I'd be fine with it if like Godzilla X Kong 3 aliens show up and it's like, Ghidorah was our creation. It's like, okay, I'd be down for that. Yeah, it's just been like a lot at once, personally.
46:12
Case
Yeah, I mean, it certainly is a. It is asking everyone to be like, all right, now that we're cool with like Godzilla and a few other monsters, what if we had a ton of monsters?
46:25
Sam
It's kind of like one of the. It's like. It's almost like this could be a Stefan meme. Like this movie had everything. An ancient city, atomic bombs, submarines that followed, a giant dinosaur that lights up. A three headed dragon. You know, like, you could just keep going on. Like it. It can be. Yeah, yeah, a little bit. A three headed dragon that's actually an alien and not part of the ecosystem. A giant glowing moth that actually is good and malevolent.
46:54
Case
I mean, I think what they could have done was establish that each of these Titans have like a different origin. And thus like Ghidorah being like an alien or in origin wouldn't be the, like the one thing that's like entirely different. Like they, like the other Titans would all have like the shared aspect that they're from Earth to unite them. But like, if like they were very clear that like each of the different monsters was like, you know, completely different in why they're here and what they're about and you know, how they function and all that. You know, like really lean into like Rodan, like, because Rodan's supposed to be like a. A pteranodon, right? From like an actual dinosaur. Just like mutated and preserved. Like, you know, really lean into like. Oh, Rodan was actually like a thing from like normal.
47:36
Case
A normal animal mutated versus like, you know, like have Mothra be this like, you know, ever rebirthing, you know, like Phoenix kind of creature that like predates like, you know, vertebrates. Like, you know, like really lean into, like, each of them being, like, their own kind of thing. Thing.
47:54
Sam
Yeah. Definitely could have done some more monster explaining.
47:58
Case
I think this is true. We spend most of the time, like, they don't even really explain Rodan, which is like the fourth monster in this movie.
48:06
Sam
Yeah.
48:07
Case
Ghidorah, Godzilla and Mothra get the. Get the whole. The explanation. And Godzilla has the benefit of having a previous movie.
48:15
Nic
Yeah, well, they had the whole bit. It was like, oh, we've mapped all these titans all buried around the globe, and we got 17 of them. And like, oh, monster zero is going after the one in the volcano that.
48:27
Case
I really like, Rio de Janeiro. I gotta say, 17 specifically was a really good choice of numbers because it's a very. It's a big number from the standpoint of monsters, like that. But also it feels like a very real number. Like. Like, if they had said 100, it would sound like you're. We're just, like, saying a large number for the sake of it, but, like, 17 spiels. Like, it's like. No, there's a very specific number here.
48:51
Sam
Yeah, yeah, I agree.
48:53
Case
But. But, yeah, like, it's just like we have. The base is all over. We have yada, yada. Like, it would. It would be a little more fun if we spent some time with any of the other monsters and, like, kind of established a bit more there.
49:04
Sam
I mean, I think it would have been even more. Like, I would have been fine even if they did, like, a rundown of the monsters. Like, not as maybe even a roll call. I mean, maybe just lean into it and have someone give us, like, you know, case, but, you know, like, this one and that one and, like, you know, at least a few more. At least.
49:25
Case
Yeah. No, because. And there's the perfect opportunity with. With Kyle Chandler's character with. With Mark Russell, which. It's so funny, him being Mark Russell. It's. It's the same goddamn situation as that original Godzilla, King of the monsters, where it was Steve Martin was a character. Mark Russell is also a comic book writer who is rather good. And so that. That's the area that I keep getting, like, thrown on. But yeah, Mark Russell, like, is the perfect character to have, like, that rundown be explained to, like, be like, once they say, like, no, there are 17. Where it's like, 17, like. Yep. And here's the ones that we need to worry about. Like, these are the. These are the three biggest ones here. And like. And then, like, these. You know, like, you can.
50:09
Case
You can go down the list and, like, not, you know, like, establish that we don't really need to worry about, like, you know, like monsters like 14 through 17, because they are all like, they're big and they. They would be dangerous, but they're like, the least dangerous or they're going to be the. The hardest ones to wake up. You know, like, they're the most trapped in whatever situation.
50:29
Sam
Right.
50:30
Case
Versus, you know, like Mothra wakes up at the beginning of this movie, like, independently. So, like, clearly they're in different states of, like, how trapped they are and, like, how dangerous they are. Because, like, again, Monster Zero is like, the really one because it's the biggest. It's bigger than Godzilla. It's. And Godzilla is not able to beat it on one. Like, even supercharged, Godzilla needs a lot of help and a lot of distractions to. To win that fight.
50:54
Sam
Yeah.
50:55
Case
So, you know, like, it makes sense that, like, yeah, they're all scared when they. It's like, oh, they're going to Antarctica. What's in Antarctica? Like, keep that scene. Hell, maybe that would help explain why it's Monster Zero and be like, here's our rundown of all the monsters so that we can really get into it.
51:09
Sam
Yeah, this needs to be somewhere in there, I think. And I think that also would have helped. So I think, like, you know, we've talked about this being like a Godzilla's Godzilla kind of movie, but I think that for someone, you know, like your wife, who is not a big Godzilla fan, coming into it and not really getting that information might also deter, like, you know, it's like, well, where did this one come from? You know, like, I know there's monsters, but is he important? Like, clearly he's important, but no one's named him. And so I think it's like kind of like, you know, you don't even have a moment where someone, like, you could have even not done the rundown and had like, someone below whisper the name. Right? Like, oh, shit, it's.
51:57
Sam
You know, because that's such a, like, great kind of moment. And then you got like. Then you let the audience know, like, oh, it's odd, you know, like. So that's another simple way that wouldn't have to add, like, a lot of time I feel like we're actually pitching and we didn't do a commercial break, but. Yeah, no, but that's like, that.
52:16
Case
That's actually a good call. We should, since we're. We're startling to find things to specifically vent about without just like, speculating on. On the improvements. Why don't we take a quick break, and when we come back, we'll continue this ramp. Hey. Oh, hey, Jeff.
52:30
Nic
What's going on, guys?
52:31
Case
Oh, you know, talking about Superman.
52:33
Nic
Oh, cool.
52:34
Case
I could talk about Superman. I could talk some more about Superman. We know. I'll bet a few people would want to get in on this. I'm down. You know, it.
52:43
Nic
That sounds like fun.
52:44
Case
I'll do it. Cool. Let's do it. We can call the show Men of Steel, and you can find it@ certainpov.com or wherever you get your podcasts. Yay. And we're back. All right, so, yeah, we're rambling about, like, what this could actually have been, because, again, this movie, I think, is a pretty strong starting point for a Godzilla movie. Like, it's. It's very much. Here's a western version of a classic Japanese Godzilla movie where, like, a ton of monsters and it, like, the. The stakes are. Are really big. Like, the stakes are bigger in this than any of the other movies, just by virtue of the fact that Ghidor World Killer, especially with, like, all the other monsters, like, running wild. Oh, here's one thing we didn't talk about in our venting section, which is the. The.
53:31
Case
The running theme of, like, the alpha males in this one, which is bad science.
53:36
Nic
I was gonna bring that up. Bad wolf science.
53:39
Case
I get why it was written because, like. Like, it used to be, like, just commonly accepted, you know, wisdom. By the time this movie was coming out, that was no longer the case.
53:47
Sam
But, yeah, for sure.
53:49
Case
So I get.
53:50
Sam
I. I thought as soon as I heard it, I was like, okay, yeah.
53:55
Case
I don't like the. But. And that said, like, I don't mean that we need to get rid of, like, even the concept of, like, a king of the monsters. Like, to have Godzilla or Ghidorah be, like, to function in the role of an alpha. It's just science to say, like, oh, they have alpha males, and then they could have frequencies of alpha males that, like, just, like, radiate off of them. Yeah, that part is like the. The weird gobbledygook science of this movie. It's not enough to make me dislike this movie, but it is bad science.
54:22
Sam
Yeah. I think, like, with that, it would have been better to just be like, well, he's an alien and has abilities to, like, telepathically control, like, other monsters. Like, I think that would have just been like, a much easier kind of like, they're following him because he's got, like, this ability. He's an alien. You can like do anything you want.
54:48
Case
Yeah. And I think that was the deal with the Japanese version of Ghidorah, that he had some limited mind control ability. Now I. That said, I, I like the frequency thing because it's like, it's crucial to the plot. Like, and in terms of like having a device that allows them to sort of like calm each other down or communicate. Like, the idea that the Titans communicate on some sort of frequency that like can be sort of studied be is fine. Like, it's just the idea that there's going to be a wavelength that is like, here's the alpha male wavelength that like suppresses the. The Betas is kind of the part.
55:20
Sam
Yeah.
55:20
Case
So that's an area that could have been like kind of refined on that one. But I don't think that's crucial to the movie being successful. I think that makes some people roll their eyes when they're already watching the movie. But like, I think the problem was not having quite enough butts in the seat as opposed to needing to get repeat views. Because I think I. I think if you're coming in the, in the mode of like, yeah, I want to watch a Godzilla movie where Godzilla fights a ton of monsters. This is like going to be a movie that you want to keep coming back to. I think if people were coming in thinking that it was going to be just like the 2014 Godzilla movie, which I guess is actually not that different, but the.
55:54
Case
I guess more like if they thought it was going to be like the 90s Godzilla movie where it's all about just one monster running around and humanity dealing with them. Like, no, that's not what Godzilla movies are about. It's about fighting a fuckton of monsters. Other thoughts on what could have been sort of refined? Because I think that we've talked a little bit about having maybe like a stronger lead. I mean, maybe make o' Shea Jackson just a bigger part and just have the marketing be more about him. Like that would kind of help there. I mean, maybe have like more of a name. Like he's like an up and coming star, but it's. He's an up and coming Nepo baby.
56:28
Case
He's more accurate, which is still an interesting thing, but it's like a thing that I haven't been able to not mention every time we've talked about him tonight. It's just like, that's the thing that we know him about. But let's see, you know, like, I don't know. Could the marketing have been a Little bit better spent, possibly. I don't know what, like, a really good marketing pitch for this movie is, aside from just being, like, really leaning into, like, just how many. How many good monster fights are in this. You know, like, if this was. Which I actually, now that I say that was a strong point for its sequel. Like Godzilla vs Kong is. The marketing was like, this throwdown is going to be fucking huge. Like, remember how big the trailer was for that movie?
57:06
Case
Like, the soundtrack was like, everyone was talking about, like, oh, this is weird that, like, the soundtrack's really goddamn good. What song is this? And it's like specifically a song made for trailers. And so, like, people were talking about that shit now. It was also, you know, a Panini movie. So, like, were all just, like, able. We were all just, like, looking forward to something new to watch.
57:26
Sam
True. So there's also that we had time.
57:29
Case
But I think if this movie had, like, really sold, like, hey, this is going to be like all like a monster Royal Rumble as opposed to just like Godzilla is really big as the selling point of the. The title and the marketing push, like, that could have been a really co for it, you know, like, sort of like Godzilla Final wars, which is, you know, I. I think a lot of people are. Are interested in it just because it's like, hey, we finally got Godzilla versus, like, the. The 90s. Like, American Godzilla. You know, we can have, like, a bunch of these monsters, like, take on each other. Like, this being like, we're. We're making a western audience version of, like, some of the most epic, classic throwdowns of Godzilla movies. Like, we're having Rodan show up. We're having Ghidorah show up.
58:11
Case
We're having Mothra show up. Like, those are the big names. Like, it more so than anyone else besides King Kong. Those are the names that, you know about in the monsterverse.
58:21
Sam
Yeah, I mean, I actually think, you know, I wonder about, you know, just because we've brought up Independence Day so many times before. I actually would like to say that Independence Day had some of the best trailer marketing I have ever seen in my life. And I think it's because I remember that they were one of the first movies to actually do like a, like, really short snippet, like a trailer before they actually released a real trailer. And it was just kind of like this spaceship coming into view and like, coming down and then kind of like just. I don't even remember what it blasted, but it blasted something and then it was like went black. And then it just said Independence Day. And I was like, what? What the is that? And I feel like. And then later, subsequently, like, the.
59:19
Sam
The trailers after that were kind of just like flashes of things, like, not even, like, really full storylines. And sometimes I think that our trailers give too much away. Like, we're watching too much of a movie already. And I feel like this is one of the. Of the movies where you really could have done, like, a versus title, like, in terms of, like, you know, how like, video games have, like, this character versus this character. But you could do it, like, in a more realistic style with, like, actual snippets from the movie. And I just think, like, something that would have been different and exciting in terms of, like, just highlighting those monster fights would have kind of worked for this too.
59:58
Case
Yeah. Mentioning Independence Day further, one of the things that was a really good marketing strategy is that they had. I remember a special that came out, like, a couple weeks before the movie came out that was talking about it, but they had, like, fake snippets of news with the same, like, blur effect that was. Or, like, you know, static effect that was happening because of the. The aliens in the movie. Doing marketing material where it's, like, really focusing on, like, humans looking up and seeing the giant monsters would have been really interesting, like, having, like, either some original material or just focus on, because there are a lot of shots in this movie that are still like, yeah, here's what it looks like to a human when these giant monsters are rampaging around. It's not just like, you know, and that's the difference of.
01:00:37
Case
Of what. What this movie is offering from what a classic Japanese one was offering. Like, this is one where it's not just a guy in a suit that we're shooting with a set of miniatures. Like, you can really lean into, like, the scale differences in this because. Because of the advancements in special effects. And I'm not saying that modern Godzilla movies made from Japan don't have that also. I'm just saying that's one of the things about a modern Godzill. Like, the special effects have theoretically gotten better. And so we. You should be showing types of shots that we just have never been able to get before. And this movie actually does a really good job at having many of those types of shots. And so, yeah, I mean, the commercial should have just had more of them.
01:01:15
Sam
Yeah, the. The shot where they're standing on the deck of the submarine and they've just come up and, like, Godzilla, like, comes up and then, like, leans forward to kind of acknowledge them. And you know, I would say because he's adorable, thank them. But that is such an intense scene. That is such a good shot. And like, I love the way he jumps back into the water, just flips his tail at them. It's like, it's like he doesn't mean it. It's just like, who he is, you know? I love that scene so much.
01:01:51
Nic
Yeah, that's right after the Serizawa sacrifice, right? Yeah, yeah.
01:01:58
Sam
And it's actually so beautiful because you have that really poignant scene that is just so terribly sad. And then you have this like, incredible scene where this creature that is more chaotic than anything else is just kind of like making this acknowledgement of like, because he could kill them, like he could destroy them, but he acknowledges that they helped. You know, like, it's acknowledging that sacrifice that was made. And that shot is so intense. It's so good. Like just everything about it. And yeah, that definitely is one of those large scope, scary shots.
01:02:45
Case
Yeah. For, for real. And it's the type of shot that couldn't have really been done as easily with like, model work or like, or matte, you know, work using, you know, actors in different, different positions.
01:02:58
Nic
Yeah. Another really good shot of taking advantage of the CGI is like an earlier scene on the submarine where it's like, oh, Godzilla's right outside and they can like, hear his heartbeat. I'm bringing this up because it ties back to this show specifically, like, the heartbeat that they hear is the heartbeat from the 1976 King Kong movie case as he's dying on the ground.
01:03:22
Case
Dope. Dope.
01:03:24
Nic
Yeah, yeah.
01:03:26
Case
That's fantastic. Yeah. Obviously what's Nick referring to is that of course, we Talked about the 76 King Kong movie with our friends from Castle Bravo here. So that was a great one. On that note, they Castle Bravo, which is doing a retrospective on all Godzilla movies, will eventually get to this movie. And I look forward to hearing what they have to say because they'll come at it from a different perspective than we will.
01:03:47
Sam
I hope they answer if they would.
01:03:49
Case
Boop. Yes.
01:03:50
Sam
Just. I think it's a burning question.
01:03:52
Case
Derek definitely will. Charlotte. I'm not so sure. But either way, I, I, I look forward to more coverage of it because again, I do think this movie is rad. I, I just want to say so. Yeah, there's that. Let's see. Another great shot in terms of the, like, the scale in it, the one that I was Thinking of was when they're in Antarctica, there's a lot of like, really good shots of. Of humans on the ground looking up at Ghidorah, which I think is the. The, you know, the. The most one to one kind of continuation of the. The 2014 strong element of like those like, you know, man on the street kind of perspectives of. Of Godzilla. So I think that's an area that we.
01:04:28
Case
They could have emphasized more because the movie does it, but then the marketing doesn't really, you know, like, the poster for it is a long shot of Godzilla, like, breathing atomic fire into the sky. And like, it's the kind of shot that you could have done just as easily. Not just as easily, but like, it's the kind of shot that you could have had as a poster for any era of Godzilla. It's. It's not really setting itself apart and not that this movie needs to fully set itself apart. It does want to, like, you know, emphasize to people that, like, hey, the classic Godzilla stuff, but. But from a different, you know, you know, from a different perspective element.
01:05:02
Case
But I, But I think coming off of the 2014 one, like, they did need to like, establish that this is part of an artistic tradition of Godzilla movies that is specifically a western viewpoint and not just a Western, like, bastardization of Godzilla movies.
01:05:17
Sam
Right?
01:05:18
Case
Like, establishing that there is a viewpoint that there. That there is a perspective that's coming into it and a shared one, even if it is a different director than the previous one, would have been a good, you know, a good perspective for it.
01:05:31
Sam
Yeah, I agree with that definitely.
01:05:33
Case
What else could have been done, marketing wise or otherwise? Like what? Like, but I just think, like, the question is, like, what could have been done to, like, push this movie just a little bit further, budget wise? If it made just like 10% more, it would have been a huge hit.
01:05:48
Nic
As far as, like, figuring out, like, getting more characters for the audience to hook into. Like, maybe. Maybe we don't kill Sally Hawkins in the Antarctica scene.
01:06:01
Case
Yeah, that's a fair thought. Like, having a character continue between.
01:06:04
Nic
Because I feel like if you like, make like in the marketing, if you make like O' Shea, Jackson Jr. Millie, Bobby Brown, Charles Dance, Thomas Middleditch, Sally Hawkins as like, the focus points of the movie. It's like, okay, I'll get scene. See this character, this actor. I'm a fan of this actor.
01:06:21
Case
Yeah, that's a good thought.
01:06:23
Sam
Yeah.
01:06:23
Nic
All right. Because like, I understand the risk of, like, wanting to kill your darlings, but it also is there's A little, there's this, the whole factor of like, okay, now, well, now I'm not as invested. Like I swatched all like in preparation for Alien Romulus. I saw all the Alien movies for the first time and that. So I got to see the assembly cut of Alien 3 which also has Charles Dance in it and tie in and like I thought he was like one of the best parts of the movie. And then he spoiler alert for 20 year old movie. He's suddenly not in the movie anymore at the halfway point and my investment kind of went down.
01:07:04
Case
Yeah, that is the downside. Charles Dance is, makes everything he's in better. And it's about time that we're all recognizing that what this and Last Action Hero. Come on.
01:07:16
Sam
Yeah, don't disagree.
01:07:20
Nic
I'm also not the first person who brought up this idea. I can't remember who it was, but I feel like it's just good enough that to not share it would be a crime. What if instead of making Charles Dance a new character, he is Tom Hiddleston's character from Skull island who's just like totally lost faith in humanity. And so I was like, gotta start over.
01:07:42
Case
Oh, I like that. That, that's a good call right there. Now I, I, I think that the.
01:07:49
Nic
Because they do bring back Miles Dyson.
01:07:52
Case
Right?
01:07:52
Nic
As one of the characters from Skull Island.
01:07:55
Case
Yeah. It's fun how this franchise has that continuity which I think people didn't register when this movie was coming out. And it was only really with Kong v Godzilla where it was like really like oh yeah, this is a, a big shared universe kind of thing. But, but yeah, no, I think more ties into like the previous ones would be strengthening elements.
01:08:14
Sam
Yeah.
01:08:15
Case
That said, while I think that's a great idea, I don't know if that would affect the core question that we have today, which is like would that get more money in the box office? But, but I think any small bit helps in this one. Like we're trying to polish a diamond in the rough and I feel like there's plenty of glittering elements, but there's still like little bits that we can scrape off little bits of rough.
01:08:42
Sam
Yeah. I think that overall this is a very good movie that couldn't find its audience or it found an audience, but just not enough, didn't pull enough new people in to it. And it's always hard to figure out especially when people see a fandom like Godzilla. People Just feel like it's very, like a very niche kind of thing. I think it's one of those things where like he's popular enough that everyone knows what he looks like, but like there are plenty of people that know about Godzilla but may have not sat down to watch a Godzilla film. So it's just, how do you draw those people in?
01:09:23
Sam
And I feel like unless you're recasting for like, you know, to put in a role, one of the roles which we normally don't do, and put in more of a, a list heartthrob kind of person or an upand cominging person that, you know, people flock to. Generally women. Women are very good consumers. Yeah, I don't know if there's, there's a way, you know, could.
01:09:51
Nic
You, can you imagine if somehow they swapped out Kyle Chandler for Glen Powell from oh my gosh, Top Gun?
01:09:59
Case
I mean, he would be a little on the young side for the part that they're doing. But that said. God damn it. Exactly. Is that's the type of actor that I'm talking about here.
01:10:12
Sam
I mean, honestly. Listen, we all like Bradley Whitford a lot, but like he's. I think his role was supposed to be younger, so. So maybe he's the person voted off the island. Again, we normally do not recast, but like, you know, I mean, that's the only thing that I could kind of, you know, kind of think of because that role's probably the easiest to kind of put in a 20, you know, 20 or 30 something, you know, make him a young genius who has this crazy theory which like, honestly would make more sense with the other doctors kind of being annoyed with his insistence of this like wormhole in the center of the earth and then kind of, you know. Cause it's like, oh, okay, yeah, okay kid, we hear you.
01:11:08
Sam
But we've been working for Monarch for a while and I think like as much as I love the actor and as much as I think that he nailed the role, I do think that you needed to actually have a 20 something, 30 year old actor in that role. And preferably someone with the aura of a Glenn Flat Powell to like pull everything together, you know, and kind of like get some buts and shoes.
01:11:37
Case
Yeah, like imagine if it was like, I mean, this is exactly the kind of part that like Chris Evans used to do. In fact, he has like almost the exact same role in like the Losers. So like imagine a Chris Evans or like a Ryan Reynolds in the Bradley Woodford part. And you could really kind of see it. In fact, like, it makes me think of Justin Long in Live Free or Die Hard where it's like, oh yeah, here's the young actor to get like the youth vote in. In this one. And I'm not trying to push this like that this would have like outright saved the movie because again, the movie did really well. It just didn't do so well that like that the expensive movie that it was because if it costs $200 million to make, that's a really expensive movie.
01:12:21
Case
And it's an uphill battle to make $400 million at the box office. And it came just shy of making $400 million at the box office. Like it's like again, it did quite well. Gross. It just cost a lot.
01:12:37
Sam
Yeah.
01:12:38
Case
And.
01:12:38
Nic
And.
01:12:41
Case
It is part of a franchise that has typically done slightly better for the amount of cost. And part of that is that the prior movie did just a little bit more revenue, but also cost just a little bit less. And then its follow ups also. And part of it is because again, the pandemic stuff. But are big dumb popcorn movies that people actually showed up for. But they were tuning in because we had sort of established like, no, this is the big dumb popcorn movie franchise that. But is. Is part of a franchise. This movie didn't necessarily come off as being a franchise movie so much as a sequel. And it also didn't necessarily set itself out enough that enough new people came in because like the people who were established fans were going to come in regardless. But it still did pretty well.
01:13:32
Case
And I'm still really happy for us to talk about this movie. Like, I think it's a load of fun. Like, it's really goddamn cool. I'm glad that I've watched this movie three times in the last month in preparation for this because I was trying to. Because as Nick has alluded to, we have had some scheduling issues and so this has been rescheduled a couple of times. But it's a lot of fun. I think it's a really dope movie and I'm really glad that we're all here. So Nick, thank you for bringing this movie.
01:13:59
Sam
Yeah, thank you so much. I wanted to rewatch it and I'm so glad I got to do it so many times. Times.
01:14:05
Nic
So I don't know if this is. Would cost. Like I originally did not put this in my notes because like, oh, this will cost way much more. But maybe if you scale back Some of the actors that are going to be killed anyway. I would be. Would it have helped this movie if we. If would have helped this movie if Kong were in it and like a extended cameo sort of role?
01:14:26
Case
I am not sure. I think that the, the long term plan was right to set up Kong as like actually getting a proper appearance in the next one. Like it's a really strong Easter egg in the credits slash post credits. So I don't know because I was thinking about the same thing. But I, I don't. I don't really know how that would have been received because if it was just a cameo, I like if it was like a cameo akin to the length that like Wolverine's in X Men First Class where he just like shows up to say like fuck off and that's it. And in this case it's like Kong is awakened for a moment and just like urges some scientists away or like it like rolls over when they're like, oh God, all the monsters are waking up except for Kong.
01:15:12
Case
Kong is going to continue to sleep or whatever. Whatever scene. I, I think we all would have been excited about it, but I don't know if it would get more butts in the seat.
01:15:23
Sam
Right. Yeah. Might have just hit the market that actually already exists to us. But no one knew in a.
01:15:33
Case
Way that's different than like the teaser for like the next movie they're going to fight because then we can all be like hyped about it and talk about it as the only real difference there. So I don't know.
01:15:43
Nic
What if we got Brie Larson and old?
01:15:45
Case
That, that would be a bigger one. I, I think that actually would have been a more interesting kind of draw for. For it if that was possible. Yeah. Nick, is there anything else that we. That you think that we haven't like had a chance to cover on this one?
01:16:03
Nic
Maybe at the start of their hearing between Monarch and the government, maybe Monarch should just say oh, we're what? Not just say oh, we're watching them. Just trust us. Maybe they should like give examples of like this is what the Titans are doing for the ecosystem. It's important to keep them around and the government is like, too big a risk. So it's not just, it's not the movie just kind of implicitly condoning the eco terrorists.
01:16:31
Case
Yeah.
01:16:32
Sam
Yeah.
01:16:33
Case
It would have been nice in a few spots to like really get into like what is the actual cost of the monsters like being out there? Because like if they're rampaging like how much is destroyed and how much money is that and how many lives have been lost versus like the potential thing like things like crises that they are averting and you know, all of that, like get into it all.
01:16:55
Nic
Yeah. Because we're. Yeah, we're still a ways away from Godzilla nestling up inside the Roman Coliseum.
01:17:02
Case
Yeah. Whereas by that time it's just like that's a fact of life. So. And this is the movie where they should have spent more time with that because they do kind of. But. But it would have been good to have a little bit more time addressing like this is why people are afraid of Godzilla and all the other monsters. And like, you know, the Andrew plot is the big element of that in this movie. But to offer a few dollars figures and a few casualty counts and a few things like that wouldn't have cost too much time and I think would have emphasized the fear of the monsters side as much as the pro monster side because it should.
01:17:42
Nic
Have been anti Titan lobbyist in Congress. Like we can't have these Titans running around. They interrupt the oil prices.
01:17:51
Case
Or alternatively a weapon manufacturer who's like all about the Titans so that they have something to sell, you know, sell weapons for. That's an interesting one.
01:17:58
Sam
Yeah, it's very realistic.
01:18:03
Case
Yeah. Because then, because then you would have the scene where it's like, oh, we're gonna. I mean it's the Oxygen Destroyer, but. But like where that's like, oh yeah, we've been actually. Yeah. So the Oxygen Destroyer should have been like specifically a weapons manufacturer promising that it'll kill Ghidorah and then it not succeeding. And then that's sort of like the all is lost moment. The all is lost moment. Which, which it is. But like really emphasize that also human weapons are just like really not doing shit in this situation. But we thought they were going to up until that point.
01:18:33
Nic
Like, it's annoying that Legendary Pictures has to the payout licensing fees to use more of the classic Toho monsters because I just want one of these Monsterverse sequels to be like, oh, there's the new continent that Rodan formed through its like volcano feathers. It's wing flaps.
01:18:56
Case
Derek on Castle Bravo described Rodan as being the most Kentucky ass movie or monster movie. And I can't stop thinking about that now. And to the point where I'm like annoyed that the Rodin scenes are not taking place in Kentucky.
01:19:11
Nic
He could have, he could have emerged from Yellowstone.
01:19:15
Case
Yes, there we go.
01:19:16
Nic
From the heat Geysers.
01:19:18
Sam
Love it.
01:19:18
Case
Yeah. Any. Yeah, I feel like we don't have that much more to say about this one, though, because it is a good one. So, again, Nick, thank you for bringing this one on. I'm glad that we got you back on. Where can people find you and follow you and what have you got going on?
01:19:33
Nic
So I am on. On Reddit at NYCK o n T. I just lurk around there sometimes. I post there. I am trying to, ever since Reddit introduced this, like, sort of keep the streak going, like, gamifying being on the website. And so they're like, yes, make big number, go bigger snap.
01:19:56
Case
That would not be good for me to be a Redditor there.
01:20:01
Nic
All you need to do is it's as simple as upvoting or downvoting a post.
01:20:07
Case
Yeah, no, that would destroy me if I got too involved in that.
01:20:13
Nic
Also, this isn't something I've done, but there is. I do remember watching a video on YouTube from a channel called up from the Depths about capitalizing on Bryan Cranston in the 2014 movie. That again, that's up from the Depths. And it's like a thumbnail. Thumbnail is basically what if Joe Brody survived and how that would impact the rest of the monsterverse, which is like. It's a really good video.
01:20:40
Case
Yeah. I would say Bryan Cranston, if he had survived and was in this movie, would have been like the kind of draw at the time because he was still so fresh off of which Ma Jigger. Breaking Bad.
01:20:50
Nic
Yeah, Breaking Bad.
01:20:53
Sam
Yeah.
01:20:53
Case
Yeah. So that might have been in the same kind of bracket there. Sam, where can people find you and follow you?
01:20:58
Sam
So they can find me here, of course. And they wait.
01:21:01
Case
Sorry, Sorry, Nick, did we cut you off or did you say everything that you had.
01:21:05
Nic
I said everything I meant to say.
01:21:07
Case
Sorry. I was just like, wait.
01:21:10
Nic
I'm also on Men of Steel occasionally recently talked about Tommy Oliver, Superman of Power Rangers.
01:21:17
Case
Sam, where can people find you and follow you?
01:21:19
Sam
Well, of course they can find me here. And occasionally, when I remember it exists, they can find me on Discord. Our Discord. But other than that, I am very busy on a submarine trying to find Godzilla's lair so that I can boop the snoot and the radiation will be worth it, guys. And I'm very sorry that I will no longer be a host on the show, but if you have any complaints about that or the fact that I'm going to go to my untimely doom just so that I can pet the most wonderful monster that ever existed. You can send your complaints to Case at.
01:21:54
Case
Well, you can send your complaints to me on any of the social media platforms at Case Aiken, except for Instagram, where I am holding on to my AIM screen name for dear life because I was pretentious in high school and also not a big fan of spelling. And that is Quetzalcoatl5q u e t Z A L C o A T L 5 yeah, that's a rough one. But the best place to find me is frankly our Discord server. Sam, you brought that up. We've got links in the show notes and all over our website, certainpow.com where you can come and interact with us directly. It's a. It's a really fun Discord server. Lots of great conversations about movies, games, tabletop stuff. Like all kinds of stuff. Like come check all that out. It's a great time.
01:22:34
Case
Nick, you're an active part of our Discord server. Love having you there and yeah, happy to be around. It's great. So people should check that out and you can talk to me directly there. On that note, we should stop and take a moment to thank our new patrons. We have recently launched the Patreon for this show for Men of Steel for all the things that I work on. And we have a few people to thank at the executive producer level. So that includes Carter Hallett, Sean Muir Lee, Gregor Memento Young, Logan Crowley, Joe Mastropiero, Casey and Nancy Aiken, Adam Samter and Keith Lettinen. So thank you guys so much for helping us make this show happen. But yeah, otherwise you can find me in addition to here on my other show, Men of Steel, which Nick referenced before.
01:23:27
Case
And you can find the videos that I'm putting up on the certain POV media YouTube channel. So check those out. I recently did one on I broke into a new area for me which is getting back into doing D and D content after quite a bit of a hiatus on that. So I did a video about the new fighter subclasses and how they compare to the old ones in the new update of D and D that just came out. So check those out and then come back here for our next episode. And hey Sam, what is our next episode?
01:24:00
Sam
Well, next time we'll be talking about Highlander 2 the Quickening, but until then, if you enjoyed this, pass it on.
01:24:09
Nic
Thanks for listening to Certain Point of.
01:24:11
Case
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01:24:15
Nic
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Sam
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